EVE General Discussion

I agree with the thread title.

-Whim Aqayn

I'm thrilled CCP finally stuck it to the autists who believed their empire exploration was elite and I will gleefully follow some of you around in my week-old scanning alts just to harvest your tears.

This!!! I understand removing static ice belts. I'm not terribly upset about the autolaunch/autoformation. I can deal with people getting scanning as a base skill, and being able to use 8 probes right away. I never got into DSPs, so that doesn't bother me either. But dear god why are they turning grav sites, which had to be scanned down, into easy access anomolies.

For one, it completely negates the point of removing the static ice belt. You removed the belt, then put it back into something that just pops up on your hud anyways?! Logic? I mean kudos on making ice actually deplete, but having them revealed by a system scan, which by the way happens automatically now (lolwwhat?) just seems to be counterproductive.

Secondly, It completely ruins grav sites for those of us that actually worked to be able to scan them down. Yes I realize that I can also use the system scanner to find these sites, however having to use probes meant that you could actually find stuff to mine in systems that had already been mined out. It just took some time and effort on your part. Now all the bots and massive multiboxers have to do is get in system, let the scan run, and voila, they have all the static belts, ice belts, and ore sites listed for them.

Seriously, can someone please explain the logic to me in relation to grav sites? If its something as simple as "didn't want grav sites cluttering the probe interface" why not create a new classification of sites that still have to be scanned down, that way when those kind of classifications pop up on your sweep you can just hit ignore, or remove them from your filter to begin with.

Oh, I have no grievance about moving all static belts to anomalies. That will help reduce server load since CCP will eventually have anomalies/dungeons spawning on a different server to the sol node. In the meantime it breaks bookmark mining, which I consider to be A Good Thing™, even though I did it myself. Bookmark mining is one step away from botting, as far as I'm concerned (but then so is multiboxing using key/mouse broadcast software like ISboxer).



Yup, this is exactly my complaint. You had to work to find grav sites, and the best sites were inaccessible unless you had good skills & equipment. In return, the best sites had hedbergite in hisec. Very nice income for those who could find it.

They could have moved them to sigs instead, or made a new category that still had to be scanned down, it would have still had the same effect, and been more effective in driving up ice prices. Or if they didn't want to make ice miners scan, then make ice belts anomolies, leave the grav sites alone, they weren't broken!

You fail to see the big picture. These small changes may make sense in terms of making your life easier however they often make other peoples lives more difficult or remove the "work" component. That's a bad thing in a competitive MMO. For one the easier it is the more work you do to make profit - more people doing it less profit its its not bounty or cash reward from npc. The other factor is of course small reasonable changes add up. A bunch of changes making things easier can make doing those things as boring as mining scord in a newb ship.

LMBO! Empire scanning as competitive. Such a terrible argument.

It's becoming easier because it's something newbros should be doing since they actually more or less need risk-free low-income little minigames to tide them over. You, otoh, ought to have the brass to get out of your cotton-wool and go do something a little less risk-averse to earn your isk.

HTH

You're missing the point, which is to get rid of static belts entirely in the longer term and have all content like that dynamic. From a developer point of view it's a good thing, because it simplifies the system; you don't have two completely different mechanisms for creating what is essentially the same content.

Sounds like you're fond of WoW analogies. Perhaps you should go back to a universe where risk-averse things for newbies comprise the elite activity you assumed empire exploration to be?



Wow, this thread just keeps the gems coming! hahaha

Apples and oranges, and wholly nonsensical. The exploration system exists for there to be content to find, so it would be silly if it were all instantly warpable.

That is not the same thing as doing away with grav sites, however, and it's probably noteworthy that of the four sigs, gravs are the only ones whose content was 100% accessible outside of the context of the exploration system.

I would prefer if they did away with sigs showing on the system scanner at all, but as preferences go, it's a bit like how I prefer smooth peanut butter over crunchy peanut butter. Crunchy is still okay, and if they didn't have smooth peanut butter in my market, I wouldn't send the store manager strongly worded letters about how he ruined peanut butter forever.



Hang out with smarter people? I dunno, I've never met anyone who couldn't understand it after 5-10 minutes of Youtube tutorial.