Jita Park Speakers Corner

"The supercap nerf is a good change but the goons support it because IT BENEFITS THEM so it shouldn't be changed!!!!"

i love your logic

Posting in an epic rage thread

OP and Hilmar are both characters of the muppets show, CSM is filled with 0.0 players because nearly everything regarding 0.0 needs fixing. goons are bored due to lack of 0.0 shinanigans and so turn to high sec. If there were countless high sec problems im sure the CSM would reflect that. Its mostly always been filled with low and 0.0 players because they're the areas in need of balance and yet CCP always end up overcompensating on something. Funny how with a board of 0.0 CSM ccps first change? Make high sec wars virtually invalid. Cry moar

How would you have them "disallow" the NeX store from going ahead, exactly? Attack the NeX development team with Molotov cocktails while they were at the spring summit?

Or do you just mean that the CSM should have made some feeble token gesture of protest, that CCP would have completely ignored and gone ahead anyway?

That comes from CCP's fear of losing subs and wanting better new player retention. It was specific to the EVE university and as far as I know the CSM's had nothing to do with that either.

Inaccurate, the 85-90% have a say in the election. The problem is that the null-sec alliances which represents probably 1/5 of the game in reality have a huge interest in seeing changes in the game to keep it fluid in contrast to the empire pubbies who wish to be left alone as long their isk farm missions do not get changed.

Well i for one am not in favour of dumping the CSM elect....

Only because at a time like this, it's simply not a good thing to do. There is a time and a place for it, and that time has past.

I for one think CCP should introduce a new charter for every newly elected CSM member to represent the community of EVE. Literally. They should:

- Put up regular posts in a dedicated CSM forum here
- have voting buttons on what they think they should bring to CCPs attention, so the people can say 'yes please raise this issue' or 'no, thats not important' etc.
- Have CCP moderate the votes to allow only 1 vote per account and watch to see if the majority of votes are coming from 1 bloc only.
- The CSm must not be allowed to push their own agenda directly to CCP. They are there for the players ONLY. If they have an idea on a change, then they should propose it and promote discussion and debate about it.
- If CCP proposes a change to the CSM, then the CSM MUST convey that proposal to said forums and promote discussion and debate as to weather it is good/needed etc.

I don't want to see accountability.

I want to see transparacy, non bias and fairness from the CSM to and from CCP and us.

I think all these conditions (as an example) are fair. They should be straight forward to implement and would have no impact at all upon any NDAs under any circumstances.

Not what I said, but people with weak arguments often have to put words into their opponents mouths to make a point so I'll overlook it.

Let's use a real world example: nuclear weapons. And before you start your inevitable whine about comparisons to the real world, it's called an analogy. Look it up in the dictionary.

Country A and country B both have nuclear weapons. The traditional army of country A is twice as large as country B. Country A manages to convince country B that both sides would be better off if all nuclear weapons were destroyed. And so they sign a treaty and abolish all their nuclear weapons. Now, with the equalizer gone, who is at a massive numerical advantage? Country A.

Well firstly saying something more than "we don't care" would have been nice. To hear some of the stories on K forum Mitani might have gotten drunk and given Zinfandel the thumbs up on the golden scorps in a bar somewhere.

Then the whole "if its vanity" we don't care - formally, has the effect of green-flagging the NeX store and sensible people should know its the thin end of the wedge and once that genie gets out of the bottle there is literally no going back.

So first point - they didn't protest it enough and almost certainly made a tactical error in allowing CCP to negotiate NeX into game without strong CSM criticism (as is apparent from the minutes.)

Now secondly (on the assumption CCP would have said "screw you CSM we're doing it anyway" - if CSM had lodged strong complaints). Resignation is an option. I know people have done it down and say "it won't change anything" but in terms of PR impact it can be huge.

But mainly ... they didnt lodge strong complaints against NeX. They went on record saying "fine if its vanity only" and I think that was a big mistake and quite naive since in Eve Online there isn't really any such thing as vanity only content when you analyse it. Alliance logos and ship skins - defintely not vanity only.

Anyway hope that answers your question.

So in other words, CCP just lost 6 months of potential subscriptions across 52 accounts or characters, whatever......

COuntry A and Country B still kept their nukes though, but in more secret locations.