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** HILMAR - Remove the CSM Now...**

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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#41 - 2011-10-21 12:12:59 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Scarlett Anstian wrote:
Karadion wrote:

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

You think they had any real influence on the financial side of CCP? lol Good one Big smile
Where did I talk about the financial side of their business? The World of Darkness MMO is a terrible concept and they missed Twilight by several years. What was their target audience especially? Doesn't exist. Dust 514, great concept, poor implementation. At least they're on the back burner and development is going full throttle into FiS concepts instead of WiS concept which you Second Life fans are screaming for.

Dust isn't on the back burner.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-10-21 12:13:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Kardion Farts in public.....You know what we call answers like this people? A strawman attack. What is a strawman attack? It's a simple tactic to distract you from the primary focus.




You're right...
That is exactly what you are doing right now.
Yes because editing quotes shows how brilliant and funny of a guy you are. Again another strawman attack. Want to go for 3?
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-10-21 12:15:06 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously.




kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...
K.com has more useful information, maybe you should keep an open mind. But hey "Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing" always works for you Empire pubbies. As long you fellate CCP's egos, they would go back to the way things were, keep working on WiS to bring you Second Life Redux. "Can I get chapless ass pants CCP?"


No it doesnt. It full of bitter vets...who are lets say it bitter... kugu is the place where all those idiots i spoke about hang out. Who think they are epeen, its the sespit of eve players..

Thats fine keep them there...
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-21 12:15:23 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously.




kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...
K.com has more useful information, maybe you should keep an open mind. But hey "Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing" always works for you Empire pubbies. As long you fellate CCP's egos, they would go back to the way things were, keep working on WiS to bring you Second Life Redux. "Can I get chapless ass pants CCP?"


No it doesnt. It full of bitter vets...who are lets say it bitter... kugu is the place where all those idiots i spoke about hang out. Who think they are epeen, its the sespit of eve players..

Thats fine keep them there...
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-10-21 12:15:24 UTC
non judgement wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Scarlett Anstian wrote:
Karadion wrote:

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

You think they had any real influence on the financial side of CCP? lol Good one Big smile
Where did I talk about the financial side of their business? The World of Darkness MMO is a terrible concept and they missed Twilight by several years. What was their target audience especially? Doesn't exist. Dust 514, great concept, poor implementation. At least they're on the back burner and development is going full throttle into FiS concepts instead of WiS concept which you Second Life fans are screaming for.

Dust isn't on the back burner.
Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.
Signal11th
#46 - 2011-10-21 12:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
:-)

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-10-21 12:16:11 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously.




kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...
K.com has more useful information, maybe you should keep an open mind. But hey "Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing" always works for you Empire pubbies. As long you fellate CCP's egos, they would go back to the way things were, keep working on WiS to bring you Second Life Redux. "Can I get chapless ass pants CCP?"


No it doesnt. It full of bitter vets...who are lets say it bitter... kugu is the place where all those idiots i spoke about hang out. Who think they are epeen, its the sespit of eve players..

Thats fine keep them there...
And we can be here too. That's the great thing about forums. People can come and go. We don't serve at your pleasure. We serve to annoy you instead.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-10-21 12:18:02 UTC
Ansolutely agree with Hilmar on this one. The current CSM has done some good things, but let's not kid ourselves. Rarely are Goons good for the overall playing experience of an MMO. Mittani is looking out for himself and his own lulz, not anyone else's. And before he pipes in and says "But I supported the super cap nerf and I have super caps!" -- you also have more players than your potential targets, so weakening their supers really just makes them easier for you to take down. It's not selfless, it's blatantly self serving.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#49 - 2011-10-21 12:18:52 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.


I don't think this is true. Dust is too far into development to scale back on. Chances are development was only shifted from the Atlanta team to Eve, where the Dust crew stayed the same.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#50 - 2011-10-21 12:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Karadion wrote:
non judgement wrote:

Dust isn't on the back burner.
Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.

interview
Quote:
Eurogamer: What impact do these changes have on World of Darkness? Is there still a roadmap for its development and eventual release?

Hilmar Pétursson: World of Darkness is now a smaller team. As we now really need to focus on Eve and Dust, we have a smaller team than before and it's less coupled into our development process. We were running a very integrated plan which led to a lot of energy being spent on coordination, which drew energy out of actual proper value being generated. We're hoping that by focusing the company more, we have a better chance to make progress - especially on Dust and Eve.


Did you bother reading his interview?
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-10-21 12:21:45 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Really? Where have you been? Hiding under some rock? Dust development has been scaled back alot and a huge majority of the CCP development team is back on Eve Online. They're cranking out more content than they normally have done before the next expansion. But hey pubbie, you can believe whatever you want.

Even if Dust 514 comes to reality, I would just teamkill you all pubbies with my dreadnought to show you how terrible of a concept it is.


I don't think this is true. Dust is too far into development to scale back on. Chances are development was only shifted from the Atlanta team to Eve, where the Dust crew stayed the same.
Hilmar issues his apology, announces that full scale development focus on Eve Online, scales back Dust 514, puts WoD on the backburner (taken back to the shed and shot), fires some Atlanta people, etc.

Quote:
As we reexamine our outward relations, we are also taking time to reevaluate our internal goals. In doing so, we have come to the conclusion that we are attempting too many things for a company our size. Developing EVE expansions, DUST 514 and World of Darkness has stretched our resources too thin.
That isn't my quote, that's CCP's.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-10-21 12:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Astenion wrote:
The CSM was developed to be a sort of "class president" of Eve.


I always was class president and was a real douche, I even used to buy votes and tampered with the ballots in order to win. Would that make me a good CSM or politician? You don't need the CSM if you are willing to the listen to the community.

Oh and buff my hybrids and Gallente hulls please.

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Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-21 12:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Phunnestyle
The current up & coming winter patch being what it is, a failure, is however a good example of bad influences by currupt CSMs More interested in self gain for there particular alliance rather than EVE community gain.

+1 for a purge
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-10-21 12:24:49 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Bai bai null sec only run CSM seats...


Cry moar...
It wont save your space... I mean... Seat.
Okay please take our space away from us. Oh by the way where do you live? Oh you're a pubbie trainie experiencing this wonderful brilliant game. Maybe you should be more involved in learning this game and less involved on this forum. But I can't stop you because you want to RAGE RAGE RAGE AGAINST THE..... CSM?
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-21 12:25:44 UTC
Phunnestyle wrote:
The current upcoming winter patch is a good example of bad influences by currupt CSMs More interested in self gain for there particular alliance rather than EVE community gain.

+1 for a purge
Purge how? Is this synonymous for "Ban the goonies, they're killing my mining bots! :("
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#56 - 2011-10-21 12:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Karadion wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Bai bai null sec only run CSM seats...


Cry moar...
It wont save your space... I mean... Seat.
Okay please take our space away from us. Oh by the way where do you live? Oh you're a pubbie trainie experiencing this wonderful brilliant game. Maybe you should be more involved in learning this game and less involved on this forum. But I can't stop you because you want to RAGE RAGE RAGE AGAINST THE..... CSM?



Are not goons supposed to be pro new guy?
Are you not a recruitment officer?

Why are you shitting on "pubbie's" in ever other post? Roll
They provide a great deal of money into CCP revenue stream above all else. So they need to be represented by the CSM don't you agree?

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#57 - 2011-10-21 12:31:04 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.


1: They didn't

2: The Mittani was anything but critical in his view towards incarna and MT

3: Vile Rat didn't even care about buying golden scorpions with Aurum

4: CSM was late jumping on the bandwagon and is now some are trying to claim victory while all they did was ride along.


This is a true statement of events.

I was pretty disappointed for the CSM allowing NeX for "vanity" items to slip in the game at all.

The reality is that the Jita Riots and Unsub protest have probably saved Eve.
In the end the CSM did help publicise that so +rep for that.

But they were very slow seeing the problem coming.

If this does all turn out well in the end then the whole Eve player base, the gaming press, the CSM and (the volcano gods of iceland) can all share the credit equally - just as long as we get our Eve Online with spaceships and player driven economy back.

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James Duar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-10-21 12:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Jada Maroo wrote:
Ansolutely agree with Hilmar on this one. The current CSM has done some good things, but let's not kid ourselves. Rarely are Goons good for the overall playing experience of an MMO. Mittani is looking out for himself and his own lulz, not anyone else's. And before he pipes in and says "But I supported the super cap nerf and I have super caps!" -- you also have more players than your potential targets, so weakening their supers really just makes them easier for you to take down. It's not selfless, it's blatantly self serving.

Supers are bad and make the game bad.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-21 12:32:51 UTC
Those asking for affirmative action so that all 'constituencies' can be represented should probably consider that The Mittani is a highsec representative since his main characters spend nearly all their time in Gallente highsec.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-10-21 12:33:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Maybe everyone should focus on the point in hand and avoid an obvious derailing?


So much of CCP's RL ISK comes from empire and "pubbie's"
If CCP wants to be successful they will have to cater to these people as well.



Nuff said, and Hilmar seems to have realized that. Blink
So maybe he is about to fire some of the CSM too, and I think this is him softening the "blow" before he brings down the Guillotine.



Ofc the null sec butthurt will be epic... but what can you do. Lol

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