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Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#441 - 2011-12-22 18:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Imigo Montoya
Temba Ronin wrote:
Oh self righteous defender of the "do it the way i did it or you are doing it wrong" herd you know quite well your major snipe which you call whining is my willingness to state my points of displeasure with the status quo in forums. But you being the intellectual hero that you are want to seem fair to me by repeating thinly veiled insults which only demonstrate your inability to win any debate on merit ...... which forces you to trot out your refined ability to word spin aka lie, so that the tin foil hat afraid of change crowd you play to give you applause.

If that is what you need from your online fans i am happy to help, because i find it entertaining when people can't man up to win on merit. Toss your red meat punchlines to your foaming at the mouth small minded herd of protect "their advantage" followers that rise up to wail against every new notion that might improve the game.

For the record ..... your signature is in fact a whine against change so every post you have made since you implemented it has ended in a whine which you Truthfully??? just stated you never tried. Take those tin foil pants off your head.


Your trolling was much more effective when it didn't match the first paragraph of the wikipedia entry on the subject so precisely.

If you actually addressed at least some of the points people have made without misrepresenting or insulting them, you might be a bit more convincing.

The funny thing about it is that you're derailing discussion on your own "ideas", which I must say is brilliant in its irony. Well played on that front, but the rest is just too obvious.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#442 - 2011-12-22 20:25:31 UTC
Takara Mora wrote:

Imigo, 600 is almost statistically significant - not that we have a controlled study going on, but very interesting :) ....

Wonder, would it be possible to track how many stay and report back here in a month or two?

If Goonfleet can get good retention, I may have to eat crow, biomass all my characters, and "if you can't beat em, join em" somehow lol.


We have much better retention than average because our alliance is based on being able to recruit and keep new people. For every horrible barrier to entry CCP throws up, we have ways around it because our success requires we effectively recruit new players (since we do not recruit from the general EVE community).

We have great retention as a result; if you join goonfleet you need never spend a single second mining or doing one of those other horrible highsec activities to get on your feet. There are tons of goons who consider 5m a rounding error that will shower more isk on newbies than they know what to do with (literally, given that they no longer need advanced learning skills), skillbooks, advice on how to actually have fun, and documentation that's head and sholders above what the average new player has (which is basically "this is a spaceship, this is the undock button, have fun")

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Temba Ronin
#443 - 2011-12-22 23:36:38 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
Oh self righteous defender of the "do it the way i did it or you are doing it wrong" herd you know quite well your major snipe which you call whining is my willingness to state my points of displeasure with the status quo in forums. But you being the intellectual hero that you are want to seem fair to me by repeating thinly veiled insults which only demonstrate your inability to win any debate on merit ...... which forces you to trot out your refined ability to word spin aka lie, so that the tin foil hat afraid of change crowd you play to give you applause.

If that is what you need from your online fans i am happy to help, because i find it entertaining when people can't man up to win on merit. Toss your red meat punchlines to your foaming at the mouth small minded herd of protect "their advantage" followers that rise up to wail against every new notion that might improve the game.

For the record ..... your signature is in fact a whine against change so every post you have made since you implemented it has ended in a whine which you Truthfully??? just stated you never tried. Take those tin foil pants off your head.


Your trolling was much more effective when it didn't match the first paragraph of the wikipedia entry on the subject so precisely.

If you actually addressed at least some of the points people have made without misrepresenting or insulting them, you might be a bit more convincing.

The funny thing about it is that you're derailing discussion on your own "ideas", which I must say is brilliant in its irony. Well played on that front, but the rest is just too obvious.

Imigo is that you responding once again to a post i addressed to someone else? You proudly professed you didn't do that remember? So much for honesty on your part. Besides i already have a personal troll appointed to me, Lord Zim, but if you really need the work he surely needs an assistant troll. So post away!

Happy Holidays to you and yours in the real world! Then we can get back to improving EVE with spirited debate.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#444 - 2011-12-23 01:43:57 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Imigo is that you responding once again to a post i addressed to someone else? You proudly professed you didn't do that remember? So much for honesty on your part. Besides i already have a personal troll appointed to me, Lord Zim, but if you really need the work he surely needs an assistant troll. So post away!


Heh, I guess I missed a vital part of what I meant to say, and for that I apologise. Let me clarify. What I meant to say was (modification in bold):

"I also see no reason whatsoever to NOT address a post directed at somebody else, especially when that post is another example of misrepresenting what somebody has said (as trolls do)"

Simple failure to proof read, but to be perfectly honest the rest of what I had written doesn't make much sense without that part, which should be fairly straight forward to pick up on.

Temba Ronin wrote:
Happy Holidays to you and yours in the real world! Then we can get back to improving EVE with spirited debate.


I am having a very happy holiday right now thank you, because what I really enjoy is discussing game mechanics (I really love my job). I wish you the same and hope we really can return to a spirited debate, so I will part with a word of advice:

Somebody who truly wishes to have a spirited debate will respond to criticism with either well reasoned counter points or acceptance of the flaws in their position (like this guy does here, which gets a whole lot more discussion going), rather than try to be the biggest smartass with the best insults (which only shuts down discussion), like this guy here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, ... oh god the list just goes on!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#445 - 2011-12-23 12:24:19 UTC
I'm someone's personal troll? News to me.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#446 - 2011-12-23 15:18:05 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm someone's personal troll? News to me.


He didn't want to pay for health, vision, dental and a 6% match 401K for you...Bear

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams