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** HILMAR - Remove the CSM Now...**

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Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
#201 - 2011-10-27 06:53:15 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
...listen to the WHOLE community...


Fair enough, I'll add my voice then: I have no problem whatsoever with the current CSM and I feel that they're doing a fine job. Please do not remove them.
Velyks
Free Real Estate
#202 - 2011-10-27 08:29:39 UTC
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
Skaz wrote:


And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.




Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss.

Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry Twisted stop talking out of your ass man


You talk like you're unable to form an 8000 man alliance.

Its a lot easier than you think.

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Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2011-10-27 10:05:46 UTC
Mal Darkrunner wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
...listen to the WHOLE community...


Fair enough, I'll add my voice then: I have no problem whatsoever with the current CSM and I feel that they're doing a fine job. Please do not remove them.

You misunderstand. Everyone who is in support of current CSM, are not part of community. They are part of goon conspiracy to take over galaxy. And thats is why their voices and arguments should be ignored.
See? Its easy Cool

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#204 - 2011-10-27 11:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Velyks wrote:
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
Skaz wrote:


And if Goons are gaming the system, well EVE is a PVP game so game them back, beat them at their own game then.




Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss.

Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry Twisted stop talking out of your ass man


You talk like you're unable to form an 8000 man alliance.

Its a lot easier than you think.

but you have to be willing to do more than whine on the forums.

Oh, and a region to spare? If you can get a 2000 man alliance together then you can take a region pretty easily. It will be a crap region, but its a foothold. With 8000 I imagine you could take almost any region you wanted.

Honestly, if you want an 8k alliance, only one exists... and its not goons.

(glad I checked dotlan before saying there are no 8k alliances... WTF X.W.X)

Edit:
Red Templar wrote:
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony!

Ponies get likes. Always.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#205 - 2011-10-30 15:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
They won't be removed "now"
Lets just wait until the end of the year to see what Himlar has in mind for them.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2011-10-30 19:34:57 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
They won't be removed "now"
Lets just wait until the end of the year to see what Himlar has in mind for them.

So now you and your alts are going to take over other peoples' threads?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2011-10-30 20:03:21 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Himlar

It's Hilmar.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#208 - 2011-10-30 20:17:21 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Himlar

It's Hilmar.

Wasn't Himlar a member of the German Gov't during WWII?

OMG, I think I just figured it out!

/puts on his tinfoil hat

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2011-10-30 20:17:56 UTC
That's Himmler.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#210 - 2011-10-31 21:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephiroth Clone VII
ccp makes big mistakes in recent expansions, including HIMAR and others running the show.

The CSM brings issues to ccp but does not really make decisions on them.

So remove the people who are little at fault with company direction..... as if ccp needs less player input.


Sounds like ccp's ex's wet dream, blame it in the CSM, remove them.... and then awesome? Problems fixed?

Proposals to eliminate the CSM (and overthrowing the chairman) have increased 1000 fold after the mittani became the chairman lamo.
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#211 - 2011-11-01 01:01:59 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid...

Well I, for one, am completely effin' sold and wholeheartedly support this product and/or service.

What are we on about again?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2011-11-01 01:30:14 UTC
Sirhan Blixt wrote:
What are we on about again?

Apparently we have ruined our image.

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Jehan Markow
Wu Si Yuan Luojishan
#213 - 2011-11-01 01:52:58 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Quote:

Hilmar Pétursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game.

But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there.


Too true, the CSM is all wrong at the moment. The problem is letting any goons in there, especially letting Mittani in as chair, and vile rat and other nullsec powermad idiots, big big mistake. Hilmar, if your removing some of your own people. Then remove the CSM, its not working and hasnt really worked. Now you just got CSM members trying to f**k over other CSM members, corruption and everything else. Just get rid of it, it sort of served its purpose.


Rather than proposing removal of the CSM, which just seems to make the pro-CSM elitists grow stronger, I have proposed ongoing crowdsourcing which if implemented would ensure that every player would have the chance to vote on proposals in the game at any point in time. Yeah, it would take a little work on CCP's part, but it would pay off in terms of lower levels of customer complaints and feedback and at the same time provide a problem-solving model unique in the gaming world. My proposal is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25858

I don't think CCP wants to remove the CSM now and you have to admit that the Goons - just like Mussolini - got their power through legitimate and democratic means. But with CCP's technology and expertise, the means could be far more democratic.
-JM
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#214 - 2011-11-01 02:02:00 UTC
Jehan Markow wrote:
crowdsourcing

Still not a real word.

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Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2011-11-01 02:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Takara Mora
Crowdsourcing - wow, who knew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2011-11-01 02:34:35 UTC
Because everything on wikipedia is true.

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Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2011-11-01 02:42:20 UTC
Oh quit pouting ... 2001 called ... it wants its outdated social commentary back ...
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2011-11-01 03:15:37 UTC
I'm not the one upset that nobody takes my marketing doublespeak seriously.

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Parsec Seti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2011-11-01 04:53:20 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jehan Markow wrote:
crowdsourcing

Still not a real word.


All words are made up. What is a real word, vs. a non-real one?

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Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2011-11-01 13:49:12 UTC
Takara Mora wrote:
Crowdsourcing - wow, who knew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing


Ok, now go read the link

These forums are already well within the umbrella of what is defined as crowdsourcing (despite being a stupid made up word). Whats being proposed is an absolute democracy, and I think history has made it quite clear those don't work.