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** HILMAR - Remove the CSM Now...**

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Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-21 11:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr R4nd0m
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Hilmar Pétursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game.

But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there.


Too true, the CSM is all wrong at the moment. The problem is letting any goons in there, especially letting Mittani in as chair, and vile rat and other nullsec powermad idiots, big big mistake. Hilmar, if your removing some of your own people. Then remove the CSM, its not working and hasnt really worked. Now you just got CSM members trying to f**k over other CSM members, corruption and everything else. Just get rid of it, it sort of served its purpose.

Yes listen to the WHOLE community, but you also got to keep true to yourselves and make the decisions too. You cant keep pandering to the bitter vets, eve needs to move on. You have to start listening also ( and im a vet btw) to how new players find the game. These people are eves future, and i think I huge focus should be on that. Its these people you want to get excited about the game, the next generation so to speak. These are the people you want to shout about eve to other new players, not bitter vets, who only say, this is eve dont like it get lost attitude. Thats ALL WRONG. New players will not come to a game full of idiots. They just wont. So listen to the vets, but listen to new players too. The problem with CSM its full of idiot vets, some out to ruin the game (so why are they in there). Big mistake, remove the CSM now, before these idiots ruin the game entirely.
You are pretty much having activists running the CSM, its not the word of the entire playerbase. The only people who read Assembly Hall are the bitter vets, squabbling like children. You need to find away to interact more with the general playerbase as a whole.

You know what the issues are now, you know what your mistakes are and you know where you want to be, so basically just get on with it!

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Signal11th
#2 - 2011-10-21 11:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Bascially thats just a warning shot saying "certain 0.0 dwellers who will remain nameless, it's time to shut the fook up" but I would like the CSM to continue because apart from some disruptive elements to it it actually does a good job.

I think he has just figured out that some people are getting a little to big for their boots and it's a polite way of telling them to calm down a bit.

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Scarlett Anstian
Neverstar
#3 - 2011-10-21 11:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Scarlett Anstian
If the CSM was full of new players (like me), we wouldn't know where to start when it comes to addressing issues in game. The veterans know what promises have been made before and how changes to the game mechanics will influence the player base more than others.

Like you said though the CSM is just full of old players looking to secure their own interests in the game. I am sure however that CCP realizes this and so takes what they say with a pinch of salt. I have not been around long but the CSM does voice some of my major concerns so like all real political situations I will vote for them and take the good with the bad.

There should be restrictions on how many 0.0 CSM members there are, so that their interests in a certain area of the game aren't bulldozing other possible issues out the way.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-21 11:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.
Signal11th
#5 - 2011-10-21 11:55:37 UTC
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.



Nothing like reinforcing a stereotype mate!

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Scarlett Anstian
Neverstar
#6 - 2011-10-21 11:56:21 UTC
Karadion wrote:

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

You think they had any real influence on the financial side of CCP? lol Good one Big smile
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#7 - 2011-10-21 11:57:12 UTC
The "whole community" is limited to 10-15% of the population as that is the amount of people who care enough about Eve to vote in the CSM elections.
The remaining 85-90% of people have NO SAY in the matter AT ALL! They chose not to participate and thus forfeit their rights to ***** and moan over anything not directly consumer related (which is covered by RL laws).

What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) .. plus add a blank vote option as that is sorely needed.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-21 11:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
The CSM was developed to be a sort of "class president" of Eve. As of right now, they think they're the goddamned Principal of the school. It is most definitely a biased and one-sided entity, even if they have good ideas. However, their ideas are so clearly self-serving and do not in any sense represent the player base as a whole that they are essentially treating their positions just as they treat their characters: as pirates.

Hilmar needs to knock them down a peg or ten.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-21 11:58:53 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.



Nothing like reinforcing a stereotype mate!

Believe what you want. You can listen to those little voices in your head.
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-21 11:58:54 UTC
Scarlett Anstian wrote:
If the CSM was full of new players (like me), we wouldn't know where to start when it comes to addressing issues in game. The veterans know what promises have been made before and how changes to the game mechanics will influence the player base more than others.

Like you said though the CSM is just full of old players looking to secure their own interests in the game. I am sure however that CCP realizes this and so takes what they say with a pinch of salt. I have not been around long but the CSM does voice some of my major concerns so like all real political situations I will vote for them and take the good with the bad.


Never said it should be full of new players m8, I said that new players need to have a voice. I been playing the gaem for 8 years by the way, so Im not talking from a new player point of view. But the problem is new players are not staying? Why? We need to understand that, we need to ensure that we keep that rentention. So we need to understand what is missing and how eve can be improved, to ensure new players not only stay but promote the game. I got in the game because my work mates, said hey look at this, its awesome. So i did and we all played together, and we had lots of convos at work about it. How exciting it was that we bought a cruiser today! and damn i can use t2 mods now etc etc. It was exciting and interesting..
But when new players come on, and all they see is load of idiot vets telling them to 'go back to wow', get lost, yada yada you think they want to stay? Of course not.. To be honest you probably wanted to weed out 30% of the vets, becuase they are not good for the game, and they breed hatred etc.
Eve to move on needs to remove this, remove stuff like scamming as well or better ways to avoid it.
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#11 - 2011-10-21 11:59:01 UTC
Posting in a "Down with Mittens" thread.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#12 - 2011-10-21 11:59:24 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Bascially thats just a warning shot saying "certain 0.0 dwellers who will remain nameless, it's time to shut the **** up" but I would like the CSM to continue because apart from some disruptive elements to it it actually does a good job.

I think he has just figured out that some people are getting a little to big for their boots and it's a polite way of telling them to calm down a bit.


This

Hmmm
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-21 11:59:53 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.



Nothing like reinforcing a stereotype mate!

Believe what you want. You can listen to those little voices in your head.


Goons are killing the game, everything they stand for is wrong for eve.
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-21 12:00:15 UTC
To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-21 12:00:31 UTC
Scarlett Anstian wrote:
Karadion wrote:

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

You think they had any real influence on the financial side of CCP? lol Good one Big smile
Where did I talk about the financial side of their business? The World of Darkness MMO is a terrible concept and they missed Twilight by several years. What was their target audience especially? Doesn't exist. Dust 514, great concept, poor implementation. At least they're on the back burner and development is going full throttle into FiS concepts instead of WiS concept which you Second Life fans are screaming for.
Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-21 12:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Karadion wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.



Nothing like reinforcing a stereotype mate!

Believe what you want. You can listen to those little voices in your head.


Goons are killing the game, everything they stand for is wrong for eve.

Good. If you have it your way, we might as well call it, "Dumb Pubbies In Space".
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-21 12:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.


No you didn't.
You had nothing to do with that.

The player base did when the protested and unsubed. So you can STFU.




The CSM is currently garbage, and for CCP to begin to recognize that fills me with tickles and giggles.



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I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle



^^^ This...
& even more... because he dare not even address the CSM corruption and hypocrisy.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#18 - 2011-10-21 12:01:32 UTC
I don't think thats what he meant. What really should be done is break the CSM delegation into categories based off of certain areas/playstyles. This would allow a spread of delegates which would pertain to most aspects in the game.

There is nothing wrong with the current CSM, even if YOU personally don't like them or goons. They have done what they set out to do and that is to bring focus back to FiS and nullsec. You can't expect a 0,0 ran CSM to cater to all the issues concerning highsec or lowsec, its just not where their expertise is.

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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2011-10-21 12:01:47 UTC
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.


1: They didn't

2: The Mittani was anything but critical in his view towards incarna and MT

3: Vile Rat didn't even care about buying golden scorpions with Aurum

4: CSM was late jumping on the bandwagon and is now some are trying to claim victory while all they did was ride along.

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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-21 12:02:22 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Karadion wrote:
"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.


No you didn't.
You had nothing to do with that.

The player base did when the protested and unsubed. So you can STFU.




The CSM is currently garbage, and for CCP to begin to recognize that fills me with tickles and giggles.
And who was the driver behind that? Oh god I can't wait to hear your pubbie answer.
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