EVE General Discussion

The level of critical thinking on this forum has taken a noticeable drop.

While the work CCP is putting into refining and fixing game features is much appreciated, it is not exactly an expansion, is it? Lets say that again...ex-pan-sion....to expand or grow. Odyssey, imo, is not an expansion. They're changing ship stats and skill requirements. I've seen this game before. It's a shell game. You just have to guess where they put the pea. I would no more call a shell game an expansion than I would Odyssey. What you put off as an expansion, I see days of reworking already refined fits and then hours re-fitting those ships. No exactly what I consider fun.

There's actually no new content that I'm aware of. I could be wrong. I generally only give CCP's expansions a brief glance since most are not really expansions. The only thing I'm aware of that could be considered an expansion is the click fest that exploration is about to become with the new mini-game.

As for paying for the game, at $15/month that's $180/yr. I've been playing since '09. That's $1,620 so far. With 3 toons, that's $4,860. It's a rather expensive game, comparatively. Frankly, CCP only gives us an expansion about every 3 years. The rest is to make up for shoddy execution.

Falcon strikes again!!

The fail is strong in these GD forums of late.

Sounds like a great expansion. The less they change, the less they break.

Some of you speak so lowly of this game, it's developers and every single step CCP makes. I wonder why the hell you guys even still play and/or continue to pay for a subscription. And you wonder about my goddamn "critical thinking"?! That makes me laugh uncontrollably.

Content here is people to be honest, so I am with you on the meh. Game by itself blows big chunks of rotten pepperoni pizza not even a hobo would eat.

But ahh, the people, I love how most things in the forums, twitter, ingame and out of it end up being like this , now THAT´s entertainment.

Post it or it never happened. Mr. Dev man... its friday and NOW THE COUNTDOWN TO THE 4TH BEGINS!.. that's next tuesday by the way.. so Bullet Point all you want but RELEASE THE OFFICIAL PATCH NOTES NOW!!


not yelling at you CCP Falcon. just am excited to see what you've guys have worked on... and plan on jumping gates back and forth just to see the new animation for weeks to come... Bring home the Bacon CCP!! Bring its HOME!

Thats right! because adding ANY new content could only make people leave the game!


You stupid xxxxxx.

As others have stated before me, expansions aren't always about the biggest and best new shiny being added to the already extant content.

Sometimes they're about making the shiny that is already here even more shiny. This means tweaking/balancing various things, iterating on other things to improve their performance/appeal, etc.

I seem to recall a few years ago shortly after I started playing people complained that CCP would just keep dumping new stuff on top of what was already here all the while neglecting to iterate on the old to improve/fix it. I, for one, am glad to see a change in that behavior (However slow it may have been).

Let us not forget though, that while I think it's a fair statement that a large portion of this upcoming expansion is polish and iteration, there are quite a few new items and features. Not the least of which is a complete rewrite of several modes of play (Exporatin (For better or worse) / Hacking / Archaeology / etc.).

Oh, and Navy Battlecruisers. Aw yiss!

I can only speak for myself, but the only reason I'm still "subscribed" is because I'm just burning down the old PLEXes I had stockpiled. I log in every 17 days or so to queue a new skill, and check the forum periodically to p*** in peoples' cereal when the topic really needs a reality check.

Back to the original topic of the thread, I too am pretty "meh" towards Odyssey. I fully understand that not all expansions can be about me, the last two or three expansions were very FW-heavy, which is what I was doing at the time. Though I do feel that focusing an expansion on pretty much a single feature is a HUGE mistake, because there's more than an even chance that most people won't give a toss about this feature. The last few expansions containing all that FW stuff? Meaningless to everyone who doesn't care about FW, and that is a VAST majority of EVE. Now, Odyssey is coming with exploration. Which really doesn't interest me or anyone I know. And I dare say, most people in EVE aren't doing exploration. An argument can be made that this is because exploration sucked, but it still sucks (I especially don't care for the "boom, catch the containers" mechanic they dreamed up).

Now, go and look at patch notes from other MMOs. Usually, you will find a little of everything in every patch. There's never a "PvE patch" or a "PvP patch". Some patches are sometimes heavy on any one thing, but for the most part it's fairly well balanced between most common facets of the game. That way, most players remain interested.

Then there's the "fix the obviously broken stuff" changes that II see a lot of support for, like tiericide and ship rebalance. And I agree, it's very much needed. But you gotta ask why? Why does a game 10 years old require a MASSIVE rebalance like that? Maybe because balance was laughably bad before? Meaning someone didn't do a very good job? And instead of asking why that is, we're clapping in support of an overhaul in a 10 year old game that should have happened 8-9 years ago? And this is a "feature" of an expansion? Please.

And that's another thing, a lot of bullet point stuff that makes it into EVE patch notes doesn't even make it into patch notes of other MMOs. Because some of the changes are so minor they're not worth even mentioning. I remember quite a few times in other MMOs being pleasantly surprised finding changes to the game world after a patch, and quite often it was relatively major but wasn't mentioned in the patch notes because even so it was a fairly minor change in the grand scheme of things.

And notice how I've been saying "patch" instead of "expansion"? Yeah, because that's what they are. An expansion is something major that greatly changes the game. Look at WoW expansions - the first added flying and a whole new continent, effectively increasing game world by 30% (and that's 30% of actual content, not empty space where you're supposed to create your own content), arenas, heroic difficulty for dungeons, etc., etc. Now THAT is an expansion. The closest thing I saw in EVE that merited the word expansion was Trinity. Remember Trinity? New ship types and total overhaul of all graphics in the game? Now THAT was an expansion.

Bottom line "err...that's it?" is a pretty fair reaction to what EVE patches have been lately. Not surprising, considering they had to downsize the staff and then split their resources on the "fabulous" Dust that nobody outside of EVE fans didn't even noticed and WoD which is still borderline vaporware with no gameplay footage shown after yet. So it's not at all surprising EVE patches are not at all impressive.