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Got ganked and pod killed first time yesterday

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virginitycollector Hazen
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#1 - 2013-05-30 14:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: virginitycollector Hazen
I was ice mining in 0.6. Wasn't afk mining. I didn't notice him jump into the belt due to the number of people ice mining. I couldn't do anything once he warp scrambled me. I was in retriver with just my strip miners and 3 upgrades and x4 warriors. Thankfully I had a upgraded clone. But kind of angry insurance barely gives anything for a retriever

I thought I was relative safe in this security level system. He probably choose me since I wasn't in fleet (and I really don't know how to get into an ice belt fleet aside from begging in local). I want to know how to prevent this kind of stuff. Now I have to go mine in higher sec systems where there is barely any other capsuleers. I was searching for more ice belts and I found a 0.7 system but I don't know if it would be any more safe.

Help appreciated
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-30 14:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
virginitycollector Hazen wrote:
I was ice mining in 0.6. Wasn't afk mining. I didn't notice him jump into the belt due to the number of people ice mining. I couldn't do anything once he warp scrambled me. I was in retriver with just my strip miners and 3 upgrades and x4 warriors. Thankfully I had a upgraded clone. But kind of angry insurance barely gives anything for a retriever

I thought I was relative safe in this security level system. He probably choose me since I wasn't in fleet (and I really don't know how to get into an ice belt fleet aside from begging in local). I want to know how to prevent this kind of stuff. Now I have to go mine in higher sec systems where there is barely any other capsuleers. I was searching for more ice belts and I found a 0.7 system but I don't know if it would be any more safe.

Help appreciated


Only way to not get ganked...Don't be there where the gankers are and don't make yourself a target.

You nad no tank...you made yourself a target.
You were Ice mining...you became a target (people like to pick on miners)

And above all...NOWHERE is safe. Just because it's high-sec doesn't mean you can't get ganked. Even in 1.0 systems you can be shot at.

Also, are you sure it was a suicide gank. You are in BNI, which can mean that it was a war target (not at my home PC so can't check if BNI is at war with anybody)

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-30 14:56:33 UTC
my friends from minerbumping.com would advise you not to mine. also, neither a fleet nor a higher security system will help you against a dedicated gank fleet, we even take on orcas once in a while...

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virginitycollector Hazen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-30 15:03:50 UTC
Just checked wars in corp. Should of suspected this and yea it was from a corp we are at war with. lol gotta learn somehow
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#5 - 2013-05-30 15:06:16 UTC
May be it will help to bring something to jamm attacker with you. He was alone, according to your description. All you needed is to jamm him for 20 seconds till concord arrive and kill him. You can use Dotlan map to find systems with ice in your region.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#6 - 2013-05-30 15:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
By the looks of it you were killed by war targets.

When mining during a war dec you need to keep an eye on local at all times! If you see them in local you need to get out right away, stay aligned to the station and do not go afk.

All your losses has been to the same people, so chances are high that now they suspect that you will keep mining and go after you specifically knowing that they have a chance to get a kill, so you might have to base your self on the fact that they will "stalk" you for a while.

But then again you can also turn this to your advantage and have a PVP fleet ready and waiting for when they show up Big smile

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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-30 15:31:34 UTC
Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies! Always check local and see if there are war targets in the system. Also if you have set up your overview the way they recommend remember to keep and eye on a PVP tab and look for red blinking rows, if you see one run away and dock ASAP. We have mining fleets that mine in low sec so if you want to mine probably better to do with fleet mates or in low sec space close to our home system so when they do come after you we can come and help you. Post on our forums or ask in corp chat for help on how to join a mining fleet. Also check with them and ask them the best place to mine as a Brave Newbie.
Nerath Naaris
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#8 - 2013-05-30 15:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Next time you are online try this out:

Press F10, then on the World Map Control Panel look for the "Star Map" tab, then "Stars", the "My Information" folder and finally "My Corp Members Now in Space". See all those green dots? Surprise, those are your Corp members (now in space).
Now look for tiny dots in high sec systems away from the horde. What are they doing there? Just idleing away their time while docked up? Or perhaps missioning or mining?
Definitely time to log off that Brave Newbie spy alt and log on the Main in the wardeccing Corp and pay a visit.

This is how people are found and killed when PvEing during wardecs even if they do it hidden away (or so they believe) in some remote system far away from HQ.


Edit:
If you have not yet done so, you might want to set up your local chat window in a way that ALL players present in a system are visible there at all times (columnlike stretched to the top of your screen, only the names without the pictures and kept as single chat window as well); that way, a war target entering your system should immediately catch your attention even if you chat away in another chat window or w/e.

If you are AFK, all this won´t help, of course (which is why AFK is generally a bad idea).

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#9 - 2013-05-30 16:02:13 UTC
erg cz wrote:
All you needed is to jamm him for 20 seconds till concord arrive and kill him.


ONLY 20 seconds you say?....and how do you jam the other 3 gank ships? You can't stop a gank in any other way than to not be there when the gank fleet lands. If they scouted and scanned your fit you're dead. If they can't kill you because of whatever they can bump you out of the belt..which is worse.

Tank the barge and don't mine during war time if you aren't bait or protected somehow.
ISD Cura Ursus
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ISD Alliance
#10 - 2013-05-30 18:06:26 UTC
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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#11 - 2013-05-30 18:10:11 UTC
There's no way to stop a dedicated group of gankers, but you can stop solo newbie gankers by fitting a tank.

By fitting a tank you reduce your mining yield in order that you can still have a mining yield, get it?

Also, if there's more than one you're screwed.

I have a Catalyst fit that, with a couple of implants, pushes 900 DPS. That's Battleship DPS on a ship smaller than a cruiser.

Enjoy.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-30 18:55:21 UTC
virginitycollector Hazen wrote:
Just checked wars in corp. Should of suspected this and yea it was from a corp we are at war with. lol gotta learn somehow



At least you learned something from it...always keep local open.

Losses that you have learned something from aren't real losses.

Those you didn't learn from are.

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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-30 18:56:15 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies!
I see that the OP has since left Brave Newbies.

You cannot join a corp that's all about "we shoot all the things" and then expect to go mining solo in peace.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-30 19:16:22 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
By the looks of it you were killed by war targets.

When mining during a war dec you need to keep an eye on local at all times! If you see them in local you need to get out right away, stay aligned to the station and do not go afk.

All your losses has been to the same people, so chances are high that now they suspect that you will keep mining and go after you specifically knowing that they have a chance to get a kill, so you might have to base your self on the fact that they will "stalk" you for a while.

But then again you can also turn this to your advantage and have a PVP fleet ready and waiting for when they show up Big smile



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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-30 19:50:29 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies!
I see that the OP has since left Brave Newbies.

You cannot join a corp that's all about "we shoot all the things" and then expect to go mining solo in peace.


Ahwww I hate seeing someone leave but I understand the important thing is finding the right corp for you and if it isn't Brave Newbies then I am sure there is another corp would love to have a miner if you want to join a peaceful corp. Or nothing wrong with being a loner either. I hope you find what works best for you and wish you luck!
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-30 22:41:53 UTC
- keep an eye on local
- make a deep safe spot and stay aligned to it

So since the cargohold isn't used to put the ore/ice into anymore, one could use those low slots for a bit of armor plate, right? (haven't mined for awhile)

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Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-30 23:09:28 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
So since the cargohold isn't used to put the ore/ice into anymore, one could use those low slots for a bit of armor plate, right? (haven't mined for awhile)
Usually in high-sec, you put Mining Upgrades in there that increase the yield. Also, if you are attacked by a war-target, plates don't really help that much, it'll just take them a bit longer to kill you. Finally, Retrievers are cruiser-sized, but have a really crappy powergrid for a cruiser. You cannot even fit an 10MN Afterburner, so I'd be surprised if you can fit a decent tank.

Of course, one can always mine in a Procurer - more trips to the station, but it has a battleship sized shield tank and enough mids to harden it. Add T2 drones and that thing can become quite nasty.
Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-30 23:24:37 UTC
Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#19 - 2013-05-31 03:36:15 UTC
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL


I can semi agree with this.
If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range.
This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you.
If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out.

Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance.

But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned!
Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff Smile

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-31 05:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL


I can semi agree with this.
If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range.
This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you.
If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out.

Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance.

But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned!
Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff Smile


That 120km rock doesnt safe NC.

I will pick an Ice rock tthat is 150 km away and in the same line as you and me.
I then warp to 30 on that new bookmark. Because the bookmark itself is 150km or further away I can warp. This lands me straight onto you.

Also, what is this thing you call RL. EVE = real.

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