EVE General Discussion

They ban them, but they don't disappear. They just find other venues to post. The same venues those devs read (which makes it even funnier: get banned for "trolling" yet who do they read at those other sites with the treatise length insights???).

In RL business, they learned not to just throw the customer out the door, because word-of-mouth advertising concerns. It's how the Fortune 500 are Fortune 500.

In IT they operate with the mentality of "throw the bums out", and there's many more graveyards of past hyped games due to it. Or once leaders bleeding heavily now, as they still don't understand how to treat customers (ever saw the surveys on customer service for Comcast/Cox/Time-Warner? Compare it to more traditional businesses, there's a b-I-g difference on perceptions of quality). RL business caters to adults and adults treat services more seriously (raise the rates of utilities and see by how much!); IT caters to that 15 to 22 year-old dependent market, which will profess things that the customer is wrong, with the experience of being some CS representative...the same CS representatives that are reviewed by adults of Comcast/Cox/Time-Warner. See where that went?).

Some ways you can't blame the devs, because they have to market their game in a very competitive market that is ruled by some top games (and heavy funded publishers). To survive they have to carve a niche and guard it well. Over zealous guarding though backfires, as history showed what happened with SOE (and before that with EIDOS...Daikatana anyone?).

In gaming now it's the squeaky wheel that is heard, whoever is noticed more gets the devs attention, even if it's frivolous and not important in the scheme of things (some have become celebs in the process). Some players resort to being gatekeepers to compensate, trying to explain that A and B costs too much or takes too many man hours to complete, which is important to point out (no company has endless funds), but can squish innovation if they get too much of a toehold. Trick is trying to balance it all, where the money/time wasters are shoved into their corner; the innovator types are reeled in on the pie-in-the-sky wish lists; the mechanics and theorycrafters don't in turn rule completely (as one man's perfect ideals is another's misery); and the innocent guy with an idea can still post it without the vultures looking at him as fresh meat. Why? Because the devs need the feedback. Game forums exist for it. It's who are playing the game voicing their concerns, concerns that devs often miss (and won't always get being fed by some council...).

The "word" will get out regardless of venue. It can't be controlled. The beauty of "free speech".

No conspiracy there! Nope! lol

But won't that be how every other non-Eve player will look at Dust 514 as well?

Yep.

CCP is trying to attract gamers who are set in a particular game style. If DUSK 514 deviates too much, it'll alienate the very market it seeks. It's why FPS games haven't changed much since the Quake days. Very conservative market, with a very conservative view of their UI and features.

BF3 went to the extreme with all the weapon unlocks and accessories for example, because a FPS game can never have enough weapons or ammo (folks still want more). But that genre is locked in how it operates...and tie it into a MMO that is foreign to them...ah, no.

Stand alone, it may fare better as it aims to be a MMOFPS (not PvP tacked onto a MMO instead). CCP maybe into baiting players to try DUSK then they can switch to play EvE, but that's the FPS market, and even in WoW it's pulling teeth to get PvPers to make money for enchants and gems. They're used to unlocks, not grinding for their goods.

It's the market that is the hard sell in itself. It's very set in stone in it's likes and dislikes. If CCP studies game history well, they can look up on the history of the Deus Ex franchise and learn from it. It had potential of being much more than a FPS shooter, but was gummed up badly (because it went the console route...).

Dust is awesome.

Said the man from 2004

When they were obviously bribed by blizzard/activsion and gave d3 (a game that takes hundreds of hours to complete any reasonable level of content) a 9.5/10 rating the same day the game came out...

It's already been said. I guess CCP did pay them because the review is a lot more forgiving than many.

suddenly mintchip, DUST 514 community rep! WTFFF

that will fix the ratings, right...?