These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

Gnosis, how to survive as a newbee.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Glor Thindel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-30 09:00:48 UTC
erg cz wrote:
I am not persuated, that bubbles do not happen in low sec.


It's not that the don't happen, they physically cannot happen. Warp bubbles cannot be anchored within Low or High-sec space, and ships that create their own bubbles (Hictors and Dictors) cannot activate the module in Low or High-sec space. This isn't a matter of convincing, look up the rules, it cannot happen.

And as others have pointed out, if you hit a bubble, if its unmanned, you haven't got to worry about how fast you can escape it, and if its manned... well, solo in a battlecruiser, you are pretty-much screwed regardless of your speed.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-30 10:11:05 UTC
erg cz wrote:
vexor is not an option for an exploration ship and I am not decided yet if I go vexor or thorax way, speaking about combat ship.


Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#23 - 2013-05-30 12:01:34 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:


you need a lot of support skills.


And that is way I created that topic in the first place - to find out, what skills to focus on.




No you're asking us to give you the answer you want. So here I'll do it:

Resistance skills for armor to 4

Med Hybrid skills to 3...make sure you fit the expensive meta 4 blasters they're the same as techII's

Exploration skills for probe launchers and the new mid slot mods along with hacking 4 and archeology 4...buy the sister's probe launcher they work much better

MWD skills to 4 to help escape the bubbles in low sec.

Cloaking skill to use the prototype one so you can hide easier while scanning



Good luck. With newbro skills you may want to think about faction and officer guns and armor mods because they have lower fitting/skill requirements and work better than techII. Twisted
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#24 - 2013-05-30 12:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.



Yes, but those rigs can work on Gnosis as well.

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-30 12:29:56 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Vexor works fine as an exploration ship. Sure, it's not bonused for probe strength, but that can be mitigated with grav rigs and better skills and it's a good ship.



Yes, but those rigs can work on Gnosis as well.


Yes. But the Gnosis will make you a huge target. And for 1 Gnosis you can fly multiple Vexors.
I dont see why you would fly an overpriced but below avg. ship

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#26 - 2013-05-30 12:43:30 UTC
I got your point. You are right - it is cheapier to lose few cruisers then to lose one battle cruiser. Absolutely correct. But I still think, that Gnosis as all-in-one explorer will serve me better, then Vexor, which is lower in everything (power grid, slots, EHP etc) but drones. I will have to rely on drones only if I run into serious rats... So I hope Gnosis will survive in low sec long enough till I get skills to Dominix.
And one more reason, why I want to fly it: I will not be able to do it later again. Cause ship will not become available. So it is now or never. Unique experience, to be shot down in Gnosis ;) Though rumors are, that those new 200 system, coming with patch , will open doors to Jove space. So who knows...

Just please understand me correctly - I agree, that Gnosis is not the best ship in a world and it will serve me the best, if I sell it. But I am teh newbz00r, and I want to fly this unique ship... So I am looking for advises how to fly it more then once ;)

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-30 12:59:37 UTC
erg cz wrote:
I got your point. You are right - it is cheapier to lose few cruisers then to lose one battle cruiser. Absolutely correct. But I still think, that Gnosis as all-in-one explorer will serve me better, then Vexor, which is lower in everything (power grid, slots, EHP etc) but drones. I will have to rely on drones only if I run into serious rats... So I hope Gnosis will survive in low sec long enough till I get skills to Dominix.
And one more reason, why I want to fly it: I will not be able to do it later again. Cause ship will not become available. So it is now or never. Unique experience, to be shot down in Gnosis ;) Though rumors are, that those new 200 system, coming with patch , will open doors to Jove space. So who knows...

Just please understand me correctly - I agree, that Gnosis is not the best ship in a world and it will serve me the best, if I sell it. But I am teh newbz00r, and I want to fly this unique ship... So I am looking for advises how to fly it more then once ;)


OK. Your heart is set on the gnosis, and you know you'll lose it (1)

While you're skilling up to fly it, explore your proposed area of operations in a Tristan. Get to know what gates are camped and when, and who lives in the area. Figure where the areas of operation of various people are.

And then you might stand a chance of finding something nice before it's ganked, and you go back to using a Vexor :)


(1) Actually, its worse than you think. A number of the more piratical types know who you are, and have perhaps run locator agents on you.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#28 - 2013-05-30 13:37:59 UTC
I think they will give up, concidering how much time I need to get all necessary skills and equipment. Is there any way, how to find out, if someone " run locator agents" on me?

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-05-30 13:46:40 UTC
No

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#30 - 2013-05-30 14:49:37 UTC
Ok, so I ended up with something like this:

[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile]
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Salvager II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Dual speed canceled but dual tanking is still there ...

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-30 15:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Don't dual tank. It's a waste of slots and a waste of energy. Pick a tanking form, use that alone.
If you're armour tanking, shields are a pretty red bar across the HUD. If you're shield tanking, armour's there to give you time to get the hell out.

Don't mix buffer and active tanking. If you're active tanking you want reppers and resists, not plates, not trimarks.

p.s. Did you bother to price any of that stuff?
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer - 80 million
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II - 65 million

That, plus the probe launcher and the Gnosis itself (74 million) comes in round about 325 million.

Plus Tech II missiles, tech II rigs aren't exactly newbie material.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-30 15:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Okay...Now I'm just thinking we are dealing with a troll here.

But...yeah, use that fit.

I will await a raging thread how EVE is unfair.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-30 15:29:01 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Don't dual tank. It's a waste of slots and a waste of energy. Pick a tanking form, use that alone.
If you're armour tanking, shields are a pretty red bar across the HUD. If you're shield tanking, armour's there to give you time to get the hell out.

Don't mix buffer and active tanking. If you're active tanking you want reppers and resists, not plates, not trimarks.

p.s. Did you bother to price any of that stuff?
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer - 80 million
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II - 65 million

That, plus the probe launcher and the Gnosis itself (74 million) comes in round about 325 million.

Plus Tech II missiles, tech II rigs aren't exactly newbie material.



Aka...I'm awaiting a juicy fail fitted loss.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#34 - 2013-05-30 18:54:28 UTC
Ok, money is the issue. So I will have to replace T2 stuff by meta 2 or 3 gear. The idea is important. DPS is not a priority - defence is.

The question is how to strip equipment in a sence of costs without loosing too much efectivity.
What I can put into middle slots to get more armor, if I am to skip shields.

I want to keep ability to fix armor without coming back to the station, thats why active and passive armor tanking. After killing one wave of rats in anomaly I want to be fit to face another one.

And I am no troll - just a newbee , that reads a lot of stuff in forums and sites like evenews24. I saw many different fitts in battleclinic but there is not much info about how expensive those fits are. Mainly ppl talk about powercore and cpu issues...

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-30 19:19:21 UTC
erg cz wrote:
DPS is not a priority - defence is.
So the idea is to completely cripple your Gnosis, making it worse than a Vexor at almost everything, just to have a 2% better chance of surviving a gank attempt because you are paranoid about losing it?

In that case, you are headed in the right direction.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-30 19:20:49 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ok, money is the issue. So I will have to replace T2 stuff by meta 2 or 3 gear. The idea is important. DPS is not a priority - defence is.

The question is how to strip equipment in a sence of costs without loosing too much efectivity.
What I can put into middle slots to get more armor, if I am to skip shields.

I want to keep ability to fix armor without coming back to the station, thats why active and passive armor tanking. After killing one wave of rats in anomaly I want to be fit to face another one.

And I am no troll - just a newbee , that reads a lot of stuff in forums and sites like evenews24. I saw many different fitts in battleclinic but there is not much info about how expensive those fits are. Mainly ppl talk about powercore and cpu issues...


And you never ever saw any other forum thread that said...don't dual tank.

Hard to believe, as I believe at least every single week there are at least 2 or 3 threads that get that advice.


There are no mid slots that boost armor.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-30 19:20:51 UTC
erg cz wrote:
The question is how to strip equipment in a sence of costs without loosing too much efectivity.
What I can put into middle slots to get more armor, if I am to skip shields.


No armour tanking modules for mid slots.

Prop mod, tracking computer if you're using turrets, target painter if you're using missiles, web, EWAR, cap rechargers, etc

Quote:
I want to keep ability to fix armor without coming back to the station, thats why active and passive armor tanking. After killing one wave of rats in anomaly I want to be fit to face another one.


Wrong idea. Nothing wrong with active tanking (repairers), just don't mix it with buffer tanking (which is mostly for PVP and want enemy to die before you do or situations where you have logistics)

Resists, repairers for active tanking, not plates, not trimarks, they just make you slower and use up PG that you could use more effectively elsewhere

Quote:
And I am no troll - just a newbee , that reads a lot of stuff in forums and sites like evenews24. I saw many different fitts in battleclinic but there is not much info about how expensive those fits are. Mainly ppl talk about powercore and cpu issues...


There's a reason several people have recommended that you fit cheap ships to see what works. Learning in a ship you can replace for 20 million is very different from learning in a ship that costs costs 300 million.

Fit up something cheap, take it out see how well it works. When it blows up, it's not a major loss.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#38 - 2013-05-30 20:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Steffanie Saissore
I'm relatively new to EVE myself, having started near the beginning of May. When I got my Gnosis I was tempted to take it out, but was well aware that I didn't have the skills (both player and character) to actually make proper use of it. In the first week I worked on developing both shield and armor skills thinking having both were important. When asking around, I found out that I was wasting time and skill points and should focus on one or the other. It has already been stressed by others here, but having learned first-hand, pick one.

I admit, when I first ran out of shields I would panic and start looking for a quick retreat. Now, having gotten experience (again both as player and character) my shield bar is a pretty little red display.

As for my Gnosis, it sits in a hangar bay looking pretty and it will likely sit there. The Thorax, I have found, suits my particular style of play at the moment and between the two, I'll put the odds on the Thorax.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#39 - 2013-05-31 00:05:27 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ok, so I ended up with something like this:

[Gnosis, Gnosis Solo Exploration Missile]
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype ECCM Gravimetric Sensor Cluster
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Salvager II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Dual speed canceled but dual tanking is still there ...


Looks good to me! To save money just use tech I rigs so you can afford those juicy faction mods. Consider a Domination Invul field...that uses less cap so you stay stable while running everything.
DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-05-31 02:28:55 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
[quote=erg cz]
There's a reason several people have recommended that you fit cheap ships to see what works. Learning in a ship you can replace for 20 million is very different from learning in a ship that costs costs 300 million.

Fit up something cheap, take it out see how well it works. When it blows up, it's not a major loss.


They've gotten cheaper.

When I first got it they were going for 500m ISK, now you can get them for less than 100m ISK. I bought a backup because it is a great ship for exploring, thought about buying a few more for speculating.
Previous page123Next page