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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-05-30 21:11:55 UTC
It doesn't mean "harden the **** up this is a game about ponies and rainbows not about destruction, war and deception"

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Haulie Berry
#62 - 2013-05-30 21:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Quote:
The initial entry of a new person to a corp should not be a big hassle for anyone.


Uh....why not?

Your ceaseless blathering on this topic all seems to revolve around this particular point, which you keep parroting as if it were irrefutable fact.

And, really, does doing a bit of rudimentary background checking on a person really constitute a "big hassle?"

I work in an industry that is not terribly security-conscious, and even we do some basic background checks on potential new hires. Why shouldn't we have to do that in Eve?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-05-30 21:16:58 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Because it is a GAME.

Not everyone takes Eve as seriously as those of us who regularly post on the forums.


A CEO doesn't need to handle that detail. There's a reason why corps have "recruitment directors" and "logistics directors" - such things are delegated to ensure that everyone has a minimal workload, because, as you said, it's a game.

The fact that it's a game doesn't mean it needs to be dumbed down as much as possible.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#64 - 2013-05-30 21:19:59 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:

You keep saying that "easy joining for noobs" is what you want, but you're really saying "lazy recruitment of anyone who applies." People make public channels and in some cases require new recruits to come on joint ops before straight up recruiting in order to satisfy your "Once in, then build the trust" aspect. Incidentally, only committed safari/awoxing/spies will do the public channel for a month thing anyway.



Not lazy, more welcoming. Something knuckle draggers rarely comprehend.

It would be better for the game's social development to make welcoming new corp members less of an initial risk.

Wanting to defend the ability of someone to be an ass-hat, soon as the accept button is clicked, speaks for it self.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Haulie Berry
#65 - 2013-05-30 21:21:48 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:


It would be better for the game's social development to make welcoming new corp members less of an initial risk.



[citation needed]
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-05-30 21:23:03 UTC
By your logic, maybe CCP should give us a button that spawns any ship we want because "it's just a game" and we shouldn't have to be bothered with training skills or making the ISK needed to get those ships

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#67 - 2013-05-30 21:23:09 UTC
Andski wrote:

The fact that it's a game doesn't mean it needs to be dumbed down as much as possible.


Making corp membership more accessible is not "dumbing down". Sorry but your use of hot button buzz words doesn't carry much weight with me.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Adunh Slavy
#68 - 2013-05-30 21:23:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Andski wrote:
By your logic, maybe CCP should give us a button that spawns any ship we want because "it's just a game" and we shouldn't have to be bothered with training skills or making the ISK needed to get those ships



Oh the ol let's make a silly argument gambit. Thought you didn't want to dumb anything down?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Adunh Slavy
#69 - 2013-05-30 21:24:34 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:


[citation needed]



You need a citation for common sense? Sorry, can't help ya.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-05-30 21:31:22 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Andski wrote:

The fact that it's a game doesn't mean it needs to be dumbed down as much as possible.


Making corp membership more accessible is not "dumbing down". Sorry but your use of hot button buzz words doesn't carry much weight with me.


Hey remember how I reminded you that there exists a corp that is open to new players and has been quite successful in teaching them and they tend to move on to all sorts of things in the game, from running 0.0 alliances to FCing or even continuing to play casually without any serious commitments and you disregarded that because it spits in the face of your bullshit narrative

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#71 - 2013-05-30 21:33:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Andski wrote:

The fact that it's a game doesn't mean it needs to be dumbed down as much as possible.


Making corp membership more accessible is not "dumbing down". Sorry but your use of hot button buzz words doesn't carry much weight with me.


Hey remember how I reminded you that there exists a corp that is open to new players and has been quite successful in teaching them and they tend to move on to all sorts of things in the game, from running 0.0 alliances to FCing or even continuing to play casually without any serious commitments and you disregarded that because it spits in the face of your bullshit narrative


Aww, are you upset? Your need for using curse words with increaseing frequency, are you frustrated? Sorry.

Yay, one corp! That's what percentage of the population?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-05-30 21:35:55 UTC
Quote:
Aww, are you upset? Your need for using curse words with increaseing frequency, are you frustrated? Sorry.

Yay, one corp! That's what percentage of the population?


It could be a fraction of a percent or half of the population but it doesn't matter because it shows why you're wrong

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#73 - 2013-05-30 21:39:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
Quote:
Aww, are you upset? Your need for using curse words with increaseing frequency, are you frustrated? Sorry.

Yay, one corp! That's what percentage of the population?


It could be a fraction of a percent or half of the population but it doesn't matter because it shows why you're wrong



You consider that to be sound reasoning do ya?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-05-30 21:41:37 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
You consider that to be sound reasoning do ya?


Yes because it shows how a 3000+ member corp can operate just fine despite being a perpetual target for awoxers and wardecs. But, as I said, it discredits your argument so you'll just act all dismissive vOv

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#75 - 2013-05-30 21:43:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
You consider that to be sound reasoning do ya?


Yes because it shows how a 3000+ member corp can operate just fine despite being a perpetual target for awoxers and wardecs. But, as I said, it discredits your argument so you'll just act all dismissive vOv



Acting dismissive, you're an authority there, no doubt.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-05-30 21:44:55 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Acting dismissive, you're an authority there, no doubt.


Let's get back to your argument about how this game would totally blossom and grow exponentially if CCP just got rid of those pesky awoxers that shut down every corp that tries to form in highsec, an argument that totally has merit and isn't an absolute lie

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#77 - 2013-05-30 21:53:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Acting dismissive, you're an authority there, no doubt.


Let's get back to your argument about how this game would totally blossom and grow exponentially if CCP just got rid of those pesky awoxers that shut down every corp that tries to form in highsec, an argument that totally has merit and isn't an absolute lie


Is that a strawman I see there? Yes, yes it is.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#78 - 2013-05-30 21:55:32 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:

You keep saying that "easy joining for noobs" is what you want, but you're really saying "lazy recruitment of anyone who applies." People make public channels and in some cases require new recruits to come on joint ops before straight up recruiting in order to satisfy your "Once in, then build the trust" aspect. Incidentally, only committed safari/awoxing/spies will do the public channel for a month thing anyway.



Not lazy, more welcoming. Something knuckle draggers rarely comprehend.

It would be better for the game's social development to make welcoming new corp members less of an initial risk.

Wanting to defend the ability of someone to be an ass-hat, soon as the accept button is clicked, speaks for it self.



I'd have to check, but BNI hasn't had significant problems with AWOXing that I've seen, and they literally will accept anyone who applies.

Real Newbies will always be welcome in EVE Uni.

RvB will accept you if you haven't done something to get blacklisted.


Plenty of Corps know how to deal with the small threat of AWOXers and do just fine. Your theory that "newbies can't get into corps" is simply false.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adunh Slavy
#79 - 2013-05-30 21:59:31 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Your theory that "newbies can't get into corps" is simply false.


I never made that argument nor present it as a theory. Feel free to show me where I said, "newbies can't get into corps" ... please, go find it. Let's see if your search skills are as good as your strawman skills.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-05-30 22:00:50 UTC
he's arguing that corp directors shouldn't have to vet applicants because ~it's just a game~

which is nonsense because this is a goddamn MMO

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar