EVE General Discussion

Ask yourself: why is it generally a non-group activity? Could it be because the only effect of doing it as a group is less rewards for everyone? It seems entirely logical to me to try to incentivise group play in anything, because if it doesn't work like that right now, it's probably because it's poorly designed.

It's a non-group activity because it takes 1 person to scan 1 person to hack, and with no rats or any defense there really is no co-op aspect to it. Adding in group activity in looting doesn't promote co-op, it promotes people waiting around for someone else to do every thing and then get loot.

WH for example is how co-op was actually done right. Pinata is how co-op is done the lazy way, instead of making the probing aspect co-op, or running the site co-op, they just have a can spew random **** out.

…and if that's what attracted them, then it still will do that since the solo activity part is not being changed.

…and now those tasks can be parallelised without people losing money over it.

Did you find a Integrity Relic in one of those cans? All I'm asking for is quality features to be pushed out not ones that seemed rushed and that no one even asked for. There are literally dozens of features currently in Eve that need love much more than exploration, why choose one that there wasn't even an uproar about.

Loot distribution is irrelevant when it comes to promoting group play, WHs prove that.

Saying that the pinata sets the framework for further development on group activity in profession sites, is why it is backwards logic. They should have added in group play while running the site, adding in increased loot for group would have simpler by just ejecting X amount of cargo containers based off of how many people where assisting in running the site, instead of turning profession sites into a carnival. Not to mention CCP has a long history of releasing stuff then ignoring it for a few years. So my basis on it not being good group game play is based off its current iteration, not on "maybe sometime later".

E: Also multiboxing is not a reliable metric on justifying development changes.

Eh I misinterpreted the quote.

It is when there is an already-known distribution that exists as a reference; WH has no such point of comparison.

…and is also nothing anyone is saying.

Fleshing out the profession sites to actual mini-professions and general development of exploration has been asked for years. Such requests shouldn't be ignored just because the people asking for them didn't spam the forums and cry about it at every opportunity. In general it seems like just catering to the people who sream the loudest is a bad way to develop a game. You can't cater to everyone with every expansion and this time it was explorers who got some dev attention. Some feel the love and some feel violated, but that's another matter.

As for rushed out features, they aren't really rushed out. They aren't polished to perfection and certainly have room for improvement, but that's not a good reason to push back the entire expansion. As long as the base is there, that is just a reason to continue to iterate on the features in the follow-up patches and future expansions.

I haven't tried the new Exploration system out on SiSi, but I'm not liking what I'm hearing about it so far.
I consider myself kind of an interstellar Indiana Jones, and I certainly do not relish the thought of having to share my loot with the evil Germans. If I take the time to do all the work finding the stuff, I want it all to myself.

Why would a miner have to share his rocks with some joker who shows up on belt after the barge is full? Go shoot yer own roids. Should a belt ratter have to share bounties with someone who swoops in after the killing's done? Feck that go find yer own red crosses.

When I want a group activity I join a blob or a mining op or fleet up with a buddy to hunt rats.

Chasing **** down as it scatters before the other guy can grab it is not my idea of a good time.

I wasn't implying you fabricated anything at all, I was referring to 'expansions' that to me seem to be getting more and more catered to a :easymodeeve: feel. I have been playing for quite a while, and what drew me to Eve was the fact it wasn't easy but the more you stuck with it the less you sucked. I remember a time when you couldn't even see all your high/med/low slot modules on the screen, you had to cycle thru them. But I digress, the point I am trying to make is the easier it becomes to do things the more competition there will be to contend with. And I don't mean 'normal eve competition' I mean all the wow kids and instant gratification folks. Now that might mean more lol's and KM's for persons such as Psychotic Monk (shout out o7) but I on the other hand liked having a preset weeding out of retards if you will by the fact that Eve is.... well Eve and should remain that way. Is that to much to ask for?

Wait, you have to wait a whole two minutes for someone else to finish an attempt before you can start another one? How dare you, CCP.