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EDIT: Edited my post as I'm an advocate of having triage on carriers anyhow and at some point your going to need it.

Keep in mind that triage will instantly give you a massive boost to scan res - a triage'd chimera can lock a shield BS in roughly 1 second in a pulsar, so you can land, keep an eye on your fleets health and if they are taking serious damage cycle triage to keep them alive.

EDIT: If I've got the maths right 8 guardians will take roughly a minute to get through the shield buffer on a well fit battleship in a C5 pulsar. Tho it seemed about half that when someone forgot to rep me :D

^^ I edited my post I got the maths wrong doing it quickly in my head.

The start cycle boost on shield reppers means you can reactively deal with damage much better without having to pre-emptively be in triage unlike with armor where even with the boost from triage the cycle delay on the armor injection landing can mean they are running out of buffer too quickly to keep them alive.

You'll have about 2 minutes tops to kill them all before they get under the moros's rails if you do that (probably a lot less), wouldn't reccomend it as they've now taken steps to prevent "leashing" sites from range with dreads.

6 TPs will run into stacking penalties - any more than 3-4 doesn't really significantly aid a moros in hitting - the suggestion to use a ship with a TP bonus would help more - 2-3 TPs with a bonus + infowar link for TP bloom factor gives the best results.

I won't guarantee results (it probably doesn't work so well in reality) but on paper 2x RF TPs from a golem with the infowar link will let a moros apply roughly half its dps on a sleepless guardian at max transversal on a 35km orbit. (Or 3 without the link).

Is that with or without links? I've never actually tried to keep armor BS alive against guardians.

When we were in a pulsar I could easily keep the shield resist bonused battleships alive with 3x capital reppers (max siege links) out of triage and even the **** fit ravens with t1 resists were just about doable. Only time I really had to triage was for the cycle time boost to keep huginns alive with overlapped reppers. (They take some serious alpha with the sig bloom).

EDIT: Would be interested if anyone has any opinion/facts on sleeper guardian dps, after screwing up the numbers earlier through not paying attention I realised the figures I've posted before - which are the raw calculated numbers from the retribution data dump - are actually lacking one factor - that the chance to hit + quality of hit formulas result over time in a mean dps figure approx 1.034x the base damage so the raw figure of 618 is actually closer to 630. (Missiles work differently to turrets and don't exceed their nominal damage).

Further to that as some people have questioned how upto date those numbers are I found a convenient set of figures from my logfiles:



Knowing the ship I was in at the time, its resists with my skills + fit + the links that were running and the fact that it was stationary and had a big sig (archon in triage) applying the average resist profile (3.776) and using an averaged figure of 365 for the laser volley comes to 605.838dps - further long and boring maths working out the individual resists comes to slightly over 623dps which is close enough to the on paper numbers for me.

Red Giant resident here. o/

Yes you can do the smartbombing trick. But, it takes practice and a proper setup. If you derp it you will wind up refitting off the carrier and using guns anyway...... or being instapodded back to highsec.

Those are the numbers I've been going off but in conversations recently people have questioned if they are accuate, they feel about right when actually doing escalations but I wondered if anyone had any further information/opinion.

While its a fairly small difference as mentioned above the turret component of that damage will actually be slightly higher ingame due to the quality of hit formula having a mean damage multiplier over a range of shots slightly above 1.00 putting the actual dps ingame based on those figures somewhere between 626-629.



Aslong as the loki is half decently fit I'd be more concerned about the golem, if you go in 2 waves at once the first moros is likely to take quite a lot of aggro I'd keep it in refitting range of the carrier and keep in mind if it stops shooting usually the sleepers will switch targets after a bit.

Options for a pulsar is pretty much golem or huginn if you want to use bonus'd TPs against guardians and even 2x TP on one of those is more effective than any number on non-bonused ships. Which you use is relatively academic aside from one being massively cheaper as the sig bloom in the pulsar will make a shield tanked huginn very hittable by Phantasmata missiles and if its webbed down by the guardians pretty close to full damage.

Certainly would be worth using the cheaper safer ship until you've got a bit of practise with it atleast. I'd make sure you've got a full set of capacitor mods to refit the moros as well just incase, the neuting from 2 whole waves is quite brutal.