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Best Cruisers or Battlecruisers to smash level 3's?

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Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#21 - 2013-05-30 03:46:14 UTC
Smash level 3's? What ever ship you can do the absolute most DPS to frigs/cruisers with. Once you hit 400-500 DPS tank really doesn't matter in L3's. You'll murder them so fast you won't take much damage. To that end, a ganked out Hurricane with a passive shield tank works very nicely.

Personally, I would avoid the drake. It still works, but the DPS is much lower than it used to be. Cane also has the advantage of speed/agility for those missions where spawns are spread out or there's a long burn to an acceleration gate.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-30 08:16:19 UTC
As people have said, any factions battlecruisers work just fine, i personally run l3s in meta4 gunned tornado.
Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#23 - 2013-05-30 08:17:05 UTC
I use a Talos fitted out for sniping to clear lvl 3's

Using Iridium ammo for large guns and staying at a range of roughly 57km I can do between 250 and 450 dps.

Using a Target Painter or a variant certainly helps me to make sure all my guns hit their mark.

In the end it's your choice of ship to use, and how you use it.

I'd also take some drones if you can, take 5 of the damage specific on each mission, swapping them out each time you accept.

Some level 3's have too many frigs.



Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-30 09:33:30 UTC
Dyphorus wrote:
Smash level 3's? What ever ship you can do the absolute most DPS to frigs/cruisers with. Once you hit 400-500 DPS tank really doesn't matter in L3's. You'll murder them so fast you won't take much damage. To that end, a ganked out Hurricane with a passive shield tank works very nicely.

Personally, I would avoid the drake. It still works, but the DPS is much lower than it used to be. Cane also has the advantage of speed/agility for those missions where spawns are spread out or there's a long burn to an acceleration gate.


drake has better projection, ive had this discussion already and drake was undeniably the better level 3 runner.
Erok Careynah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-05-30 15:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Erok Careynah
I've never had a problem doing level 3's with my artillery fitted Hurricane. Two large shield extenders and tracking computers/enhancers will crush L3 missions almost effortlessly.

L3 missions are pretty easy. You get alot of frigates but they're not a problem so long as you have the tracking speed to hit them and if you're using drones or artillery you just use keep at range. With only 200 DPS you can pop most of the frigates in 1 shot.

Occasionally there are some trickier missions where they'll throw webs at you. The Blockade is probably the hardest L3 mission because there is a web turret but it's not a problem if you have the range advantage.

You don't even need a BC to do level 3's. I used to run L3's in a Rupture and never had an issue but I moved up to the Hurricane because I got bored and the Rupture is ugly.

The only time I had trouble with L3's was when I used an Omen (before it got buffed). I was a total noob back then and had very bad skills but still managed to beat even the Blockade with that ship and it was a very bad ship back then.
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-05-30 15:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jazmyn Stone
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Dyphorus wrote:
Smash level 3's? What ever ship you can do the absolute most DPS to frigs/cruisers with. Once you hit 400-500 DPS tank really doesn't matter in L3's. You'll murder them so fast you won't take much damage. To that end, a ganked out Hurricane with a passive shield tank works very nicely.

Personally, I would avoid the drake. It still works, but the DPS is much lower than it used to be. Cane also has the advantage of speed/agility for those missions where spawns are spread out or there's a long burn to an acceleration gate.


drake has better projection, ive had this discussion already and drake was undeniably the better level 3 runner.



It is not undeniably the better L3 runner, that was/is your opinion in that discussion, and it is certainly not the general consensus.

Your skills were lacking, that's why you kept using "all skills at level V" in EFT.

There are other BCs that can clear a room quicker.

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-30 20:15:23 UTC
Jazmyn Stone wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Dyphorus wrote:
Smash level 3's? What ever ship you can do the absolute most DPS to frigs/cruisers with. Once you hit 400-500 DPS tank really doesn't matter in L3's. You'll murder them so fast you won't take much damage. To that end, a ganked out Hurricane with a passive shield tank works very nicely.

Personally, I would avoid the drake. It still works, but the DPS is much lower than it used to be. Cane also has the advantage of speed/agility for those missions where spawns are spread out or there's a long burn to an acceleration gate.


drake has better projection, ive had this discussion already and drake was undeniably the better level 3 runner.



It is not undeniably the better L3 runner, that was/is your opinion in that discussion, and it is certainly not the general consensus.

Your skills were lacking, that's why you kept using "all skills at level V" in EFT.

There are other BCs that can clear a room quicker.

-Jaz


we already established that you have no idea what you were talking about :) let's not open that can of worms back up please.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#28 - 2013-05-30 20:18:59 UTC
In the interest of not derailing another thread with Drake/Hurricane arguments, I'll leave the link to the last time it happened.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-30 20:33:15 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
In the interest of not derailing another thread with Drake/Hurricane arguments, I'll leave the link to the last time it happened.


I may make another comparison video soon to put that discussion to rest once and for all ;)
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-30 20:35:00 UTC
Zhilia,

Wow, you are not alone. I have had a recent discussion too, but mine was about my Ferox to my Drake. However, someone's Drake went boom while it was "tanking" 8 BSs in a L4, but then compared their EFT "all level 5s" Drake, to my Ferox.

It was almost as ugly as your discussion. There is one thing in common here.

I'll get a link in here to the other post, sure do love throwing gasoline on a fire. (hehehe)




-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-30 20:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Zhilia actually knows what she is talking about and brought up good points, Jazmyn. You, unfortunately, are just misinformed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=232383&p=3

link to thread in question.
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-30 21:03:35 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Zhilia actually knows what she is talking about and brought up good points, Jazmyn. You, unfortunately, are just misinformed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=232383&p=3

link to thread in question.




Thanks for posting that link.

As in what you have said in other posts, you have made false accusations, false assumptions, and are just plain argumentive, if you are not agreed with. You also don't have the skills to actually fly the Drake or Ferox well, where I do.

I will not mention this again, but I"m sure you will, just because you can't help yourself.

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-05-30 21:07:41 UTC
I'm sure whoever reads that thread will come out very well informed about who has the skills to fly what Roll
Taoist Dragon
School of Applied Knowledge
#34 - 2013-05-30 21:17:56 UTC
Bah real pilot fly a pulse Harby for lvl 3's!

Unlimited ammo and still kills everything in any lvl 3 I've done for any faction in the blink of an eye (metaphorically speaking that is)

Maybe I just like gold ships? vOv

I currnetly have a maller setup for low sec lvl 3's if the frogs aren't out and about and ih has no problems killing everything easily.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#35 - 2013-05-30 22:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Revrend Uncle Ruckus wrote:
I assume that I will be using Jita for my market base so that means I will be running level 3 missions for the caldari navy.


For low SP chars ONLY!

Caldari Navy has many agents in Caldari space
> you will fight Ghuristas most of the time
> weapon system should do thermal or thermal/kinetik damage + you want kinetik/thermal resitences

Either use a shield tanked Gnosis with missiles+drones as you get the full 25% weapon bonus without bc-skill at 5
or use the Drake as the skill requierments are realy low if passive tanked.

Any gun-ship (Hurrican) need alot more (tracking, opti rang, fall off) skills to be as effective as even a low skill Drake.
Harbinger is bad if you want to fly for Caldari Navy (against Ghurista) as they do the wrong damage.
Prophecy and Myrmidon can do fine if you know how to play with drones (new agro mechanic of NPC).

[Gnosis, low SP]
2*Drone Damage Amplifier I
2*Ballistic Control System I
Shield Power Relay I
Co-Processor I

10MN Microwarpdrive I
2*Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
3*Large Shield Extender I

5*Heavy Missile Launcher I
[empty high slot]

3*Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin I x5
Hammerhead I x5

Upgrade with metalevels or T2 of your wish/abilitys and you should be fine.

High SP chars can use much faster ships/fittings.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

Taoist Dragon
School of Applied Knowledge
#36 - 2013-05-30 22:58:10 UTC
The single most important thing to think of when setting up a ship for lvl 3's (or anything else for that matter) is....


how good it looks when firing it's weapons!!

So for me it is pretty much anything with lasers or missiles as these are the best looking weapon systems in game imo!
Autocannons can be nive if you are zoomed in as well.

Here endeth the lesson.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-31 02:20:07 UTC
I use a Brutix. 6 x 250s, LSE, AIF, AB, TC, DCU, 3 x Magstabs, TE, throw in an EM rig and two purgers, and a drone damage amp for your new low-slot. Tanks enough for L3s, you never have to switch hardeners, and you're pushing 550 DPS with drones hitting out to @ 45km.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Miq Dalecarlian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-31 08:34:52 UTC
Im using my Talos to lvl 3:s, I have 300 dps at 75km and 630 dps at 27km.
No challenge at all, allmost boringly fast... when doing lvl4s with this ship the pulse goes up Cool

Play for fun, not for ISK.

Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#39 - 2013-06-03 11:28:58 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Bah real pilot fly a pulse Harby for lvl 3's!

Unlimited ammo and still kills everything in any lvl 3 I've done for any faction in the blink of an eye (metaphorically speaking that is)

Maybe I just like gold ships? vOv

I currently have a maller setup for low sec lvl 3's if the frogs aren't out and about and ih has no problems killing everything easily.



I have a Harby and also a Prophecy. The Prophecy to me seems the better ship for level III. I have even taken the Prophecy into a few easier level IV's ... takes a while to kill BS at my skill level but it tanks well.

The Amarr drone boats, Arbitrator and Prophecy are surprisingly good missioning ships.
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