Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ITT: Make mining barges immune to anything short of a dread, so that they can warp out.

I don't know, maybe get an actual combat ship in the belt to blast the rats away/protect from neuts?

I dunno could work as a catalyst for more interesting fights than just passing ganks of mining ships and possibly make mining in riskier space more viable but I can also see it getting out of control.

I kind of like it because it has potential to put more balance in but also not sure how many people would want to deploy a 3.5bn odd ship even if it could reinforce like a small POS giving you time to get friends to bail you out or become a target for a more organised fleet later.

i.e. for wormhole space it could be quite game breaking i.e. losing a fight? never mind warp in the rorqual and shield up - the link wormholes will be long gone before the hostiles could destroy it.

The problem with large-scale mining operations in null is that it's so obvious that they're happening. If you hop into a system and see a large number of people in system it's pretty obvious that something is happening - and considering that most PVE is a solo activity, it is very likely that a large gathering of players is a mining op of some sort. Considering the mentality of most null players, the temptation to 'interfere' with a nullsec mining operation is normally too great for them to resist.

On the other hand, the profit potential for null mining isn't high enough to interest most martially inclined players in guarding a bunch of mining ships. This problem is symptomatic of a variety of problems in nullsec in my opinion - most notably, that a large proportion of alliance level income is essentially passive from moon mining and a large proportion of line member income is solo sourced.

Even if you do have some secret, out of the way system you can mine in and players interested enough in guarding a fleet operation that they stick around, the relative ease of just importing most items from highsec means that you're not making as much more than a highsec semi-afk miner than you'd expect.

I don't think that this is really a problem that can be fixed by tweaking the Rorqual, or indeed other mining ships. It requires a rethink of essentially the entirety of nullsec in general, and perhaps a similar sort of change to ore mining that is now happening to ice. Currently, the fact that most of the minerals that are needed for production come from highsec is a major block to having larger mining wings present in most alliances - of course you're not going to mine in unsafe areas if you can make similar amounts of money and items in a much safer environment.

If CCP changed it so 80% (see the ice changes for the source of the number) of EVE's manufacturing mineral needs could come from highsec *at best*, along with a change to local that made it harder for the casual passerby to find and harrass mining operations, you wouldn't need to change mining ships themselves to make nullsec mining more common.

Another idea that might work well for incentivising combat fit players to guard mining fleets would be to make a similar set up to w-space capital escalations around mining operations. Of course, make them a little less vicious, but somehow balance the numbers so that a reasonable fleet guarding the mining operation can make a personal profit on top of a commission to guard a fleet that comes out vaguely similar to the profit that can be made solo. It's unlikely, of course, but a rorqual could even be useful in belt in that sort of situation because of the capital shield rep bonus that they had (of course, it's hardly massive, and also a big risk in terms of ISK).

In my opinion not the ships need to be changed, but how mining works need to be changed.

If you run missions u start with lvl 1 missions, pass lvl 2, 3 and end with lvl 4... for sure you got a progress, the mission gets harder, you get bigger ships, all get stronger, the missions are more rewarding...

How about mining ?

You start mining, you gain skills, you get a better ship... but realy in a hulk you still do the same as in a frig... nothing is getting harder, the reward grows with your yield...

Vajahla I don't understand what you mean ??? make mining harder? ...why is it people want to change mining ...the rocks are there in a belt like space should be ...and they will always be there and the ships change around them.

Mining is what it is don't try and turn it into f-u-c-k-I-n-g missions.

The reason I started this thread was to say hey ccp you want people to mine in low and null do something to help them otherwise there not gonna go there.

supernova ranger ...I did read the changes mate and I don't like them ....The reason I don't like them is...WHY WHY change the ice ...there was no reason to change it ....It was not broken ......anyway the reason is ...CCP needs to focus on the real problems in eve like LAG>>>>AKA TIDI fix it :)

supernova ranger I said nothing about stront ....all it was is an idea to help what ccp wants ...wich is go to low and null and mine.

Oh I know, that was just my idea

Just saying that the players wouldn't want this... In the end most players care more about what their kill mails look like and not the fight that got them it. It's all for the glory.

Thinking like that... The easier the target is to kill and the less likelihood ill loose isk the better

Being a focused industrialist I do not like this mentality and enjoy the strategy of the game more then anything else but do understand it.

How are you moving around in null and not drawing attention? If your in your own sov space that's great but otherwise your wide open for a number of dangers and will be spotted by the first person who travels through the system.

So use an Orca with T3 cruiser inside? Give the Orca an armor and hull repper to boot.