Jita Park Speakers Corner

Look fellas I understand PVP is huge in EVE. However this Odyssey downgrade of High Security scan sites, mining, to force multiple pilots to work together is a very bad idea. Most people in real life play video games because they don’t want to socialize with strangers. Forcing Pilot’s (I am one of them) to team up with a bunch of strangers is not going to encourage me re up my EVE subscription.

CCP/CSM/Zero space pioneers fail to accept the fact some people don’t want all the drama 24/7 in Eve. ( The endless gate camping.) They ignore the Captain Obvious fact most pilots’ do not like Zero Space or giant corporations/alliances. So it is mind-boggling to me CSM/CCP want to bring Zero space requirements to High??? Nothing make my day more then a near 20 something barking orders at me, fly this, CTA, give us the ore you worked hard at all day, where is your API, log on this time, call in sick to work to play, tell wife you can t go the movie with her!! ( I understand that how it has to be but it it certainly not fun! ) Yeah, I work for living and am bossed around enough! TYVM but no TY! In EVE I love to kick back, yak with my friends on teamspeak, and fill the can of ORE. Maybe shoot up some pirates on a mission big whoop. Mine numbing yes but less than gate camping. Now I am being told ORE/Ice/Mission in High Security is going to be reduced and basically I am going to be forced to mine/mission in Low Sec??? The question is why is this being done??

Answer, to make the PVP munchkins happy. (Munchkins - low skill very young player craving pew ships that kill expensive mining ships with in 3 months of EVE playing!) Oh No and frack No will I mine in a blasted frigate after years of playing!!!! Now for real cash plexcards/ISK Magic gold coins ( tags) for Security increases will stop the only downside of acting like an assclown in High Security. Gee you think maybe someone’s alt will buy all these gold coins for their assclown Suicide alt??? Gasps at wonderment! (Remember when CCP promised NO PAY TO WIN GOLD AMMO?? Well here we are again now with an even more game changing idea!!! PAY FOR FREE HIGH SECURITY KILLS!!! ) Now I can hear PVPers scream HIRE US FOR YOUR PROTECTION!!!!!!!! That will solve all your problems!!! Wait join us screams some giant alliance of dubious reputation!!!!!! Not interested in the Pay for Protection racket. Gee let me guess a war dec on me that I need to pay for more protection ect etc. ( Gasp’s again in wonderment! )

What is the end game here?? The end game here for the Zero space heavy CSM members to expand their powerbase and to have their PVP pilots being paid to PVP! I respect the PVP players in EVE. But they can pay for their game and generate their own targets without me! Well I have news for CCP and I will quote their famous leaked internal memo.

” Watch what they do verse what they say.” I am closer to 60 in real life then 16. I can afford eve and even buy more plexcards if I wanted to! But I can assure you. 80% of the EVE players who did not care to vote in the last CSM election will simply log off and stay logged off if their High Security gaming is eliminated. These pilots are most independent members of EVE universe and are not driven by fake ISK’ies for plexing! They (I) pay to play the game they want to even though teaming up is better for them!! Change the game high Security pilots enjoy and the way we enjoy it is very very dangerous CCP, be warned!!?? Odyssey is all being done for enjoyment of the Munchkins! Now I have been wrong before and I hope to be wrong again. So I will watch play and see. But I am afraid the march towards micro transactions GOLD AMMO and Dust 514 being CCP main concern is going to happen sooner than later. Fly safe all and TY EVE Online for 3 great years of playing. ( Now quit screwing it up!!! )

Heck, tell me more about how CSM8 conspired to force CCP to design an expansion that was announced the very day that CSM8 was confirmed.

Did we use our CSM8 time machine, do you think?

Well I don't know how we can be expected to answer for that.

*snipped personal attack* - CCP Eterne

@ Malcanis

Sir I expect more from a CSM member then insults. “ Kitchen Meth Fuelled Schizo Paranoid rant? “ Really sir, Really??? I bet your would not talk to me that way in real life. (I hope you would not but it is 2013! ) Frankly I am insulted you think I am some damn insane loser who is not worthy to speak on a damn EVE FORUM! But I would never talk to anyone that way, period. Maybe I would say hey buddy you are wrong on this! Now you can disagree with me all you want (, Hell I might learn something.) But please leave the damn childish insults in your house thank you!

FYI most of the CSM I dealt with (since CSM5) have been mostly zero space alumni, again I respect them but have no need of them. I am not certain how you can get “FACTS” out of a fantasy game TBH. Every rant I have ever heard from CSM/CEO’s/Alliance leaders is there is no real reason for the Solo player to join us. “ And they wanted that to change! “ Guess what now thanks to Odyssey it appears to be happening. So much for the solo pilot with an alt raiding a WH. Now you need a gang of folks to go catch the warping cans!!!! Missions are going to be the same way. Boom blow up a mission rat ship and the salvage and loot will float away. This added to the new PAY TO WIN INCREASE SECURITY UPGRADE is threat to my style of gaming.

Some people can box two toons at once. I was born when Color TV was brand new so I am not that skilled. (FINE I WILL TAKE THE HEAT FOR BEING OLD!) I play this game to relax and enjoy. Go thru a room blow up bad guys then salvage with my ALT! Now that appears to be changing. I hope I am wrong.

Well you don't seem quite calm.

Malcanis certainly took poetic license calling your statement a "Kitchen Meth Fuelled Schizo Paranoid rant." But it is a tad incoherent, and as he said, a bit hard to reply to.

A pity since I personally think there is an issue or three in there worth addressing.

And FYI, Malcanis seems to have appointed himself "Snarkmaster of Forums" of CSM8, a position held with distinction last year by Alekseyev Karrde and the Mittani before him. Probably a few before that but before my time. A storied if annoying tradition. Try not to take it personally.

Wow, three CSM members bashing little me. All for one one for all CSM! I guess bad behavior is tolerated and endorsed by the CCP/CSM team. But thank you for proving my point.

"" The odd thing is that I look at the same changes and see the exploration opening up for the newer players.

Lower barrier of entry and all that. That the explorers can be hunted and found has always been true. """ Per Mike A

Gee just like I said. Promoting play for the aforementioned MUNCHKINS. I am not sure dumbing down EVE is the right call. The SIMS ONLINE was a awfull dumb downed game and where is that now?? Dust 514 is going to be tossed on the scrap heap of MMO's just like The sims, star war glaxy ect ect. I just hope EVE is not with it when Munchkin bordom claims it.

i have good news

Con't:

The fact is that you don't strike me as someone who is older. Most older players of Eve don't act the way you do (immature), and tend to be highly intelligent people who can coherently argue their point. You talk about PVPers as "munchkins" and refuse to accept that people might enjoy a play style that is different to yours.



Honestly I think this quote really shows just how bad your paranoia about this is. A threat to you how? Are you worried that the -10 gankers who were ganking you before might now be able to gank you some more? Because the fact is that people who wanted to gank could do it anyway. But to you it's some massive threat that might make you quit the game.

HTFU, stop whining and learn to either avoid or lessen your losses. If you don't want to fly with others, fine. But don't expect to get the same rewards as 10 pilots working together.

Age makes you grumpy, I should know I will be sixty later this year

While I understand the OP's concerns, I feel that his fears are exaggerated. That said, I and others on the CSM, including some of the contributors to this thread, will be making sure that CCP is keeping an eye out for unexpected consequences in the months following the deployment of Odyssey.

I would appreciate it if you would post a followup in 6 weeks or so regarding the actual effects that Odyssey has on your gameplay.