Market Discussions

The main problem you are running into Harry, is that you dismiss everyones ideas and suggestions completely out of hand as if they are the ones who are completely new to speculation, eve markets or mechanics behind the changes.

You then post statements which show you do not understand the situation, repeatedly....such as your repeated comment about how the volume increased 9 months ago.

You are asking people to give you isk when you have not done the business plan yourself....you are basically selling in a backwater region, expecting that the miners of eve and traders will come there instead of going to the wholesale market.

You are vague, at best, on the specifics "profit in 6-12 months"....you dont know the total investment you require, and when people give you the numbers, you tell them to GTFO, and then complain that people do not understand your ideas.

When it is suggested that there is a better return for your isk than single selling procurers, you reject that out of hand.

You are effectively doing the equivalent of going to see a venture capital group for a loan and when they look at your business plan and say "We are not sure about the feasibility of your business, we do not think you have done enough research", you say "Well, its because you dont understand my genius".

you do not understand that I'm doing it already with my funds, sure you can double a million isk easy or make even 10 million isk out of it, however this plan is for the wealthy investors, doubling a trillion gets harder, there are not so many opportunities anymore, you compare small investments with big investments thats where your problem is, you as well just want to convince me, as if you would not be able to just accept that i will go on anyway with my plan, please just let go, you need to let people do what they want to do, not hold them up with your own thoughts all the time, thats what you have to learn... I'm only searching for supporters here

you people too much like to tell others that they are wrong, I do not go to your threads and tell you that you are wrong, its you coming to mine all the time doing that, thats crazy, this is not needed, please stop telling others they are wrong and just make a plan yourself and go with it, no help needed honestly, you too much just like to talk, where else i want to act and do stuff and like mentioned i do it already

I bolded the important parts for you.

"you people" are your investors. "You people" are the ones you are wanting to give you several trillion in isk.

TornSoul did a nice post on how to get 1% per month on 1T +, none of it involved shifting stuff for 6m profit per time.

You are more than welcome to hop into my threads and point out mistakes, because, unlike you, I am aware there are probable errors and things I have overlooked.

You are right though, I do not understand the difference between a small investment, and buying out the entire stock of eve procurers using isk from people who own the procurers, and are quite happy to wait until the price hits above build cost. You are selling at 30% below build cost...why would they want to do that?

You are also right, and in no way doing ad hominems when you say that I like to talk....and make no actions in game at all.

And there is no such thing as a stupid question ........



the stories we tell our kids not to feel bad about themselves at times .....

If you search through the market history you will note that I have invested in past ventures. What's more many of the people you have been talking to have invested far more money than I ever did in several different ventures.

If you are serious about wanting to start any kind of investment fund, bank, or simply take a loan in EVE there is one thing you need beyond all others, potential investor's trust. There are many ways that you can acquire trust, what you are doing now is not one of them.

If you do truly want us to invest in your business you will have to change your argumentation tactics. Specifically, you will need to address the points that people are making beyond simply saying that they "don't understand".

Let's assume I truly don't understand your idea but I have a lot of money, do you think being told "you don't understand" will convince me to invest?

I also feel the need to point out that getting people in eve to loan you large amounts of money is not easy. It typically takes people months of effort to earn the level of trust that is necessary to be given large amounts of isk with simply a promise of a good return.

A short cut into this business is to put up collateral against your loan.

honestly i do not want to convince people, I want those poeple who use their own brain and come to the same conclusion like me however who may not have the time to execute it, they need to have trust in their decision, often people want to give away responsability, and they want to be told yea all save you get this and that collateral

no i just tell them how i will proceed they can bring together their thoughts about it and do it or not, its pretty easy they try maybe with small funds see how it turns out and invest bigger amounts next time, but what happens here, just talk nothing more, if I see someone opening a fund i read through it and give him the money if I'm convinced, i do not need to discuss or let him try to convince me, we are all grwon up I hope to make decisions on our own...

if you want to do it differntly thats fine, but those people you are searching for would be not patient enough and it would take more effort talking to them all the time then executing the plan

They are not out there. The people that would have the funds to invest in this could easily buy up Procurers on their own and not have to risk losing anything to a scam. The time invested in doing it themselves is trivial compared to the possible risk of a scam from you.

If I understand you correctly, you are looking for investors who see your idea, think "that's a good idea", and then because they lack the time or wherewithal to take advantage of the situation themselves, give you their money to invest in your plan.

Such investors do not exist.

EVE and the MD in particular have been subjected to frequent scams. People have posted very good investment ideas, gotten some money from the MD community and then, rather than follow through on their stated plan, ran with their investors money. This doesn't happen every time, but it happens frequently enough to drive those investors who would invest in just a "good idea" out of business. There are a few "angel" investors left in EVE but they have become picky, not because they're mean, but because those who did not have been robbed out of business.

There are people who can borrow large sums, tens of billions of isk on their word alone, but they can do so because people trust them. You have not yet earned that level of trust.

However, let's say that there are still some people who will blindly trust you left.
By ignoring the rest of the investors you are denying yourself access their funds for your scheme. Denying yourself potential profit. It is true that it would take more effort on your own part to engage those investors, but you are already putting the same amount of effort into arguing with them in this thread.

Simply stated, reality does not conform to your expectations. By insisting that it should you harm only yourself.

What part of the numbers do you fail to understand Harry?

The changes ccp made to the build cost caused a stampede to build stock. Now there is plenty of stock for many years.

The amount of isk needed to corner the market is beyond stupid, and you can never be sure you cleared to stock..


You repeating that people dont understand makes you sound extremely stupid.

This thread alone will make it practically impossible for you to ever regain public investors trust, not only in your business plans but also your personality issues.

Make yourself a new main and come back and try again..

Cool, so we can all talk to ourselves?

This thread is now about cats....and wizards