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There goes Arzad (Amarr victor and all that...)

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Caillech
Syndicate Enterprise
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#161 - 2013-05-29 00:12:38 UTC
I was thinking about reactivating and getting back into Eve casually after seeing the Facebook post on the Reddit thread. I thought, "Well, maybe FW would be fun for some laughs with some people who don't take themselves too seriously."

Then I saw this thread. And it was like Butch was saying as he was pummeling my face, "You feel that sting, big boy, huh? That's pride F-IN' with you! You gotta fight through that s---!"
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#162 - 2013-05-29 03:35:21 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
It's threads like these that start out ok then get hijacked and end up a pissing contest that made me quit FW before.

Really people just need to get over themselves and just go out and enjoy blowing up space pixels!

You two need to have some tea or something and drop it a notch or two!



This thread was a pissing match full of "lol"s, caps lock posting, and nana nana boo boo killmails from page 2. Looking through this thread, I really have no idea who the 2 were that "hijacked" this thread from such great posting.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Rommell Drako
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-05-29 05:32:07 UTC
Can we please stop e-peening and return to laughing at Iron Oxide prematurely claiming defeat and quiting instead of even trying to fight. Cuss 1337 pvp alliance is 1337 "no-pvp"?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2013-05-29 10:50:44 UTC
Rommell Drako wrote:
Can we please stop e-peening and return to laughing at Iron Oxide prematurely claiming defeat and quiting instead of even trying to fight. Cuss 1337 pvp alliance is 1337 "no-pvp"?

as soon as someone from IO will write something about "defeated" and "on my way out"....

haven't seen one such message in the whole thread tho What?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

RudeX X
Shirak SkunkWorks
#165 - 2013-05-29 12:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: RudeX X
First of all, Xolve.
Thank u for your words, i have not even known u think that about me. We hardly ever talked with each other, it was nice from u, ty.
Although.
I know some other awesome pilots in FW, and yes, some of em r in minmatar militia. In my oppinion, amarr has the better solo/small gang pilots, minmatar has the better plexers/big gang pilots. Or at least they had, cuz the capture of arzad proved that atm they r not as organizated as they were. Also there r different types of awesome pilots, some of em good in solo/small gang, some of em better in FC-ing, etc.. Judging people they r good or not in general is not nice. For example im good in soloing/small gang, but im terrible in large gangs even if im only a dps dealer.

Minmatars love to fight when they have the advantage of the numbers, there is no point of complaining about this. Everyone know this, its not a problem at all. The problem is that the minmatars think they r superior/better/ubergod/etc-etc-etc... when they win a fight with 30 against 6. Of course, amarr ganks too when they can. But when we do it, we dont think we r awesome. U just got ganked, this is the part of the game.

Xolve was right when he wrote 99% of the FW players r terrible AT SOLOING. Huge amount of players dont wanna fight on both sides - even in fleets. Minmatars (especially smile and wave) just blob every single plex with 3 ecm+3 loggi+3 dps ships if there is a single amarr in a plex. Of course, they double the number if there is 2 amarrs etc... if they wanted to fight, they would not blob. Simple. EM is even worse, they dock with 6-10 ppl, boosted in Helga, while one single SWKS member plexing it. It does not even matter if there is a backup in the neighbourhood or not. If i have 5-6 pilots in the next system, why dont they attack my single merlin with 10?
I also know amarrs, who do nothing but deplex... with unfitted ships... with their main.
The whole FW is broken, u can make billions with a single unfitted vigil.

Also. For minies and for amarrs too.
Its really the time to stop complaining about OGB.
First of all, minmatars started it, Xaliantheorwahtever was the first OGB in the FW, the main is Annah Kitheran. If u want to blame anyone using boosts, blame him, he strated it. To kill boosted minmatars, we had to train ours. this was like 3 years ago. If u cannot fight against a boosted pilot u should have bought or trained one. U had time. A lot. if it is not ok for u, just dont fight the boosted pilots. Anyway, every not complettly noob corp have at least one OGB. My best is when i kill someone with boosts and he starts to complaining about my boosts when its not even in the system. So just stop shitting about OGB.

Capturing arzad was a huge success, it does not matter how did it happen. According on the last 3 years, since im in FW - im sure minmatars will come back - they always do. Its simple why. Their lp is better, and the story of the minmatar nation attract more ppl as the story of the evil slaver amarrian story. Also, sooner or later we - amarrs - will lose our interest about controlling the warzone. we always do. pbbly this is the biggest difference between amarr and minmatar. they love to care about sov, we usually dont give a **** about dat. Maybe it will be IO, or it will be smile and wave, or a complettly new / FW virgin ally, but by time they will push us back.. again.
I just hope i have some weeks or month to whore on lp, cuz i really hate to do it with the minmatar alt.

Finally, sorry for my english pbbly most of u know its not my strong side.
Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#166 - 2013-05-29 16:10:20 UTC
gotta repost this with the bad stuff edited out
from sakkar arenith

By Jamyl!

This thread is so full of garbage, it could be Rens.


Lets get some things straight, taking Arzad was an epic exercise in suffering for all involved. It wasn "fun" it wasnt gf, EVER, it was pure undiminished heartfelt tedium within a broken framework called FW.

The Amarrian corps involved didnt get this victory due to sheer luck, it happened in lue of months of restructuring and rebuilding the militia, or rather elements within it, into a semi coherent fighting force.

The claims I read here from several delusional Minmatar are as baseless as their claim to be "equals".


IO had the Amarrian forces outnumbered most of the time, however, engagement only happened when Loryanna was present and the Minmatar had decisive numbers advantages.

Eventually, it got so bad that they seemed to have called upon EVERY ally they thought they hae, including Heretic Army, SHadow Cartel, a myriad of equally inept scum from the entire cluster.

Not only were the Amarr forces outnumbered most of the time, but also outclassed by offgrid boosting atrocities and cheap, supremely vulgar, tactics.

15 vs 2 seemed the standard "gf" for IO, but only if the 15 carried a full range of EWAR and ECM drones... You know, for extra homo ganking.


It wasnt until freddit committed in force that IO was unable to pick fights 3:1 anymore and thus, couldnt undock, ever. So, yes, while I do respect some Minmaar for their ability to stay and fight on even terms, and take a risk once in a while:

The siege of Arzad was marked by the cheapest, most boring, and tiresome exercises of futility I personally had the misfortune to witness in FW.

And the only reason the Amarr, despite being aware of the faggotry to come, were willing to invest such an extensive amount of sweat and tears into the Arzad campaign, was to finally force feed the same cowards screaming "gf" after the 237th gank, that they are NOTHING to us.

Insignificant low lives who wouldnt know honor or real achievement if it came and evicted them from their home, which in this case it did!


As such AMARR VICTOR!

The will prevails if the cause is worthy!

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#167 - 2013-05-29 22:12:18 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
gotta repost this with the bad stuff edited out
from sakkar arenith

By Jamyl!

This thread is so full of garbage, it could be Rens.


Lets get some things straight, taking Arzad was an epic exercise in suffering for all involved. It wasn "fun" it wasnt gf, EVER, it was pure undiminished heartfelt tedium within a broken framework called FW.

The Amarrian corps involved didnt get this victory due to sheer luck, it happened in lue of months of restructuring and rebuilding the militia, or rather elements within it, into a semi coherent fighting force.

The claims I read here from several delusional Minmatar are as baseless as their claim to be "equals".


IO had the Amarrian forces outnumbered most of the time, however, engagement only happened when Loryanna was present and the Minmatar had decisive numbers advantages.

Eventually, it got so bad that they seemed to have called upon EVERY ally they thought they hae, including Heretic Army, SHadow Cartel, a myriad of equally inept scum from the entire cluster.

Not only were the Amarr forces outnumbered most of the time, but also outclassed by offgrid boosting atrocities and cheap, supremely vulgar, tactics.

15 vs 2 seemed the standard "gf" for IO, but only if the 15 carried a full range of EWAR and ECM drones... You know, for extra homo ganking.


It wasnt until freddit committed in force that IO was unable to pick fights 3:1 anymore and thus, couldnt undock, ever. So, yes, while I do respect some Minmaar for their ability to stay and fight on even terms, and take a risk once in a while:

The siege of Arzad was marked by the cheapest, most boring, and tiresome exercises of futility I personally had the misfortune to witness in FW.

And the only reason the Amarr, despite being aware of the faggotry to come, were willing to invest such an extensive amount of sweat and tears into the Arzad campaign, was to finally force feed the same cowards screaming "gf" after the 237th gank, that they are NOTHING to us.

Insignificant low lives who wouldnt know honor or real achievement if it came and evicted them from their home, which in this case it did!


As such AMARR VICTOR!

The will prevails if the cause is worthy!


The only person being delusional here is you for thinking Shadow Cartel gives a rats arse about FW beyond how many of you we can shoot in the face any time we feel so inclined.

Just to be absolutely 100% crystal clear on this, we are not allies of Late Night or any other alliance in any of the militias, take the tinfoil bullshit somewhere else thank you.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-05-29 22:42:04 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
gotta repost this with the bad stuff edited out
from sakkar arenith

By Jamyl!

This thread is so full of garbage, it could be Rens.


Lets get some things straight, taking Arzad was an epic exercise in suffering for all involved. It wasn "fun" it wasnt gf, EVER, it was pure undiminished heartfelt tedium within a broken framework called FW.

The Amarrian corps involved didnt get this victory due to sheer luck, it happened in lue of months of restructuring and rebuilding the militia, or rather elements within it, into a semi coherent fighting force.

The claims I read here from several delusional Minmatar are as baseless as their claim to be "equals".


IO had the Amarrian forces outnumbered most of the time, however, engagement only happened when Loryanna was present and the Minmatar had decisive numbers advantages.

Eventually, it got so bad that they seemed to have called upon EVERY ally they thought they hae, including Heretic Army, SHadow Cartel, a myriad of equally inept scum from the entire cluster.

Not only were the Amarr forces outnumbered most of the time, but also outclassed by offgrid boosting atrocities and cheap, supremely vulgar, tactics.

15 vs 2 seemed the standard "gf" for IO, but only if the 15 carried a full range of EWAR and ECM drones... You know, for extra homo ganking.


It wasnt until freddit committed in force that IO was unable to pick fights 3:1 anymore and thus, couldnt undock, ever. So, yes, while I do respect some Minmaar for their ability to stay and fight on even terms, and take a risk once in a while:

The siege of Arzad was marked by the cheapest, most boring, and tiresome exercises of futility I personally had the misfortune to witness in FW.

And the only reason the Amarr, despite being aware of the faggotry to come, were willing to invest such an extensive amount of sweat and tears into the Arzad campaign, was to finally force feed the same cowards screaming "gf" after the 237th gank, that they are NOTHING to us.

Insignificant low lives who wouldnt know honor or real achievement if it came and evicted them from their home, which in this case it did!


As such AMARR VICTOR!

The will prevails if the cause is worthy!


Can I just say how funny it is when you make blithe posts about how lame Minmatar is as though nobody would ever find out about your alt Cynthiapocket whom you still managed to get loss mails on a tormentor which youd fit with nothing but a cloak, 3 warp stabs and an armor repper.

Tell us more about this honourable PVP in faction warfare, please.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#169 - 2013-05-29 23:58:49 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Eventually, it got so bad that they seemed to have called upon EVERY ally they thought they hae, including Heretic Army, SHadow Cartel, a myriad of equally inept scum from the entire cluster.!


You're using 'allies' to describe people that enjoy being a wolf in a pack of sheep, which is pretty much what roaming faction warfare lowsec is like; it's one of the highest concentrated areas of bad pilots in the game.

You're one of them.

Hope that helps.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2013-05-30 00:17:55 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Eventually, it got so bad that they seemed to have called upon EVERY ally they thought they hae, including Heretic Army, SHadow Cartel, a myriad of equally inept scum from the entire cluster.!


You're using 'allies' to describe people that enjoy being a wolf in a pack of sheep, which is pretty much what roaming faction warfare lowsec is like; it's one of the highest concentrated areas of bad pilots in the game.

You're one of them.

Hope that helps.


What is with all the low sec hate? Lowsec/WHis full of gladiators, very good solo or in small groups but not very effective in a large battle. Null sec is more like roman legions, individually pretty bad but very coordinated and excellent in large battles. Neither is better than the other, they are just different. I have no idea what amarr/Minnie space is like lately but there are plenty of Tuskers, shadow cartel, snuffbox, etc to shoot in Caldari/gallente FW lowsec and they are most definitely not bad pilots.


Back on topic, I'm surprised the siege of arzad wasn't more fun. When we took rakapas from happy endings, that was one of the longest most intense fights I ever had in FW (except maybe the battle of tama) where we fought over every plex for over two days straight, lost a capital fleet, won maybe 51% of the battles, and ultimately took the system through attrition.

.

Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-05-30 01:09:27 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:


Can I just say how funny it is when you make blithe posts about how lame Minmatar is as though nobody would ever find out about your alt Cynthiapocket whom you still managed to get loss mails on a tormentor which youd fit with nothing but a cloak, 3 warp stabs and an armor repper.

Tell us more about this honourable PVP in faction warfare, please.


got something against my stabbed alt? and i suppose my other 5 accounts dont count to .

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#172 - 2013-05-30 01:59:05 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:

Back on topic, I'm surprised the siege of arzad wasn't more fun. When we took rakapas from happy endings, that was one of the longest most intense fights I ever had in FW (except maybe the battle of tama) where we fought over every plex for over two days straight, lost a capital fleet, won maybe 51% of the battles, and ultimately took the system through attrition.



I too am somewhat surprised. For all the problems with fw sov one thing it should do is bring about large fights over home systems every now and then. Minmatar seems to have missed a couple of opportunities for this.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2013-05-30 08:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I would like to thank all concerned in the siege of Arzad for what was the most intense, exciting, fun month of my Eve career. The siege of Arzad lasted 3 weeks, not one weekend. I salute you all, friend, foe and 'neutral'. Eve is alive. FW is not broken.

I submit my personal eve-kill record (for May) as proof that the Minmatar both fought for Arzad and more often than not fought outnumbered.


*snip*Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal

gf
David Devant
CTRL-Q
#174 - 2013-05-30 10:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: David Devant
They desperately need proof that they didn't just blob the **** out of us. Adding SC, Heretics, LNA, and Gal Mil to the equation evens the odds. Sadly for the Amarr it's almost entirely fallacious, we did have some support from friends in Tics (cheers guys) but really nothing more than a couple of pilots.

We didn't call in support from the rest of the Militia because (I think) we've not really fought with them in any great measure for the last 3 months or so. We've become a bit inward looking as an alliance, which is nice in terms of running small tight gangs (we like those), but **** in terms of halting a 50-70 man assault. We're looking to open up a bit more now I think so you'll probably get the fights you want next time you have something planned.

The truth is it's been a long time since the Amarr have presented a credible threat. This ultimately led to FeO looking further up the food chain for sustenance. Realistically, the likes of SC are far more organised than us and despite a couple of good fights the stress of this probably led to the down-scaling of our alliance operations.

In summary vive l'amarr. Looking forward to the coming weeks. Smile

(The views expressed above do not necessarily reflect those of my alliance mates)
Stalking Mantis
Brave Operations - Lollipop Division
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#175 - 2013-05-30 13:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Major Trant wrote:
I would like to thank all concerned in the siege of Arzad for what was the most intense, exciting, fun month of my Eve career. The siege of Arzad lasted 3 weeks, not one weekend. I salute you all, friend, foe and 'neutral'. Eve is alive. FW is not broken.

I submit my personal eve-kill record (for May) as proof that the Minmatar both fought for Arzad and more often than not fought outnumbered.

*snip*Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal

gf



I agree. It somewhat erks me that the main view of this battle is it is a one weekend affair that involved a standing 80 man gang and oil painting.

While I will be the first to admit it could not have been done without IWhip and Almity holding that standing fleet for the final push; the battle for arzad lasted for about a month starting with the siege and flipping of tararan.

To many a pilot's losses, sacrifices, blood, sweat and tears were overlooked by the final push. Few know that the battle lasted almost a month, with huge brawls that lasted at least ten minutes with logi, tactics and outright brawls for each and every plex until one side admitted defeat and pulled back to regroup.

This was by no means a two day PvE victory. And those involved know exactly how well fought and hard this campaign was fought.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#176 - 2013-05-30 14:41:27 UTC
David Devant wrote:
They desperately need proof that they didn't just blob the **** out of us.


Why would they need proof that they didn't blob you, given the past between the two they are probably smug as **** that they could finally blob the **** out of you.

Quantity has a Quality of its own.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#177 - 2013-05-30 15:13:20 UTC
Xolve wrote:
David Devant wrote:
They desperately need proof that they didn't just blob the **** out of us.


Why would they need proof that they didn't blob you, given the past between the two they are probably smug as **** that they could finally blob the **** out of you.

Quantity has a Quality of its own.


Seeing IO ***** about the blob was worth the visit.

And the whole "enjoy your pve victory"
Roweship
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-05-30 16:58:14 UTC
Templar Dane wrote:
And the whole "enjoy your pve victory"


But if Minmatar has been dominating Amarr in the warzone for so long prior to this, doesn't that make them the biggest pvers of all?
Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#179 - 2013-05-30 17:20:08 UTC
Roweship wrote:
Templar Dane wrote:
And the whole "enjoy your pve victory"


But if Minmatar has been dominating Amarr in the warzone for so long prior to this, doesn't that make them the biggest pvers of all?

yep, soo looks like minmatar get awarded the PVP and PVE medals. yet somehow lost one of their home systems.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Cruack
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2013-05-30 18:10:36 UTC
Ahhhhh...... It's good to be home. See all you l33t pvp'rs on the field (or in the void I suppose).



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