Intergalactic Summit

They weren't even trying.

Incredibly disappointing, yet still more interesting than half the postings on the IGS.

Hmm. 3 weeks of war @ 50M isk = 150M, 1 cruiser, valued by CONCORD at 30M, so 180M ish expenditure, vs... 1 Destroyer valued at 16M, and according to you, 0 effective loss of income during the period concerned... Hmm.

A better than 10:1 ratio in favour of PYRE ? Huh.

I got everything.

Ah! Profit!

By the Spirits, man, have you actually read the posts you linked to? You just proved your accusations against me to be lies and bullshit.

I have not done a single thing you accused me, and in those posts you linked, I did the opposite of a number of your accusations.



I do not take part in murder. I fight to protect people, to defend people, and if I need to kill in order to accomplish that, I will, but killing in defense of someone is not murder. What that charming little Gallentean at Caille did is murder.



You didn't even link where I said "The Federation could have prevented" and you also blatantly ignore me saying "The Republic also could have prevented. Both sides had the opportunity and neither took it."

You even linked to me saying that the Federation was more grievously wounded at Colelie than we were, which puts the blame much more on our side.



Except you're not calling me out for any BS on my part. I have stated very clearly over and over that, as far as I can tell, there is no justification for what we did at Colelie, and we should never have sent that fleet in.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are numerous points at which something can be prevented. The fact that something could've been done to prevent something, however, does not inherently put the blame on the person who could have prevented.

If a woman is alone at night in a dangerous part of town and she gets assaulted and raped, it doesn't become her fault just because she could have prevented it by not putting herself in that location at that time.

Likewise, while the Federation could have likely prevented Colelie in the manner I stated (instead of insulting us, simply saying "If we find him guilty, we'll then extradite him to you so you can try him as well, that way we're both happy"), the onus for Colelie is still on us for making the decision to go into Federation space with a fleet of Naglfars.

There's a reason I want the Tribal Council to explain why they made that decision. I see no justification for it and I want to know why they think it was the right thing to do. I have faith in the Tribal Council, but this event has honestly shaken that faith and worried me. I have danced around saying that because it is not usually our way to voice such concerns to outsiders, but there it is specifically.



(1) All your gripes here have very clearly revolved around me. Just a short time ago, you considered me a good enough person to invite to a party at your beach, ogle me, flirt with me, and then ask me out on a date. All of this after already knowing my views on Colelie and the like. But then I turned down your request for a date and all of a sudden, instead of a good person, I'm "dangerous, unstable, unwieldy, etc." And you really expect people to believe this isn't because I turned you down? It's clear, Anslo, that the one who's unstable is you.

(2) Yes, death and war are bad. So do you think Ava is also dangerous, unstable, etc.? Because she speaks out against death and war as well, while also fighting in the war against the Amarr. A lot of people who fight in war believe death and war are bad. I would happily go back to being a mother and wife and living a peaceful life with my clan in the deserts on Matar. I can't go back, though. I've seen what the Amarr are trying to do to us, and I can't let them do that. And if I don't fight to stop them from killing and enslaving our people, someone else will have to do it instead, and that person might not have morals.

I wish this was a perfect universe with nothing but peace and no combat. If it were, I'd still have my husband. My daughter would not have had to grow up without a father. But it's not, and I don't. So I will fight as necessary to stop more innocents from being killed.

(4) You clearly don't see what I say. If you did, you wouldn't be making the accusations you make.

Also, I noticed the bounty. You're now paying the Amarrians who manage to kill my crews? You've definitely got the moral high ground now, hon. Betting on crews lost, then paying people to kill someone's crews. And I'm the unstable one?

I'm not gonna bother arguing again since we were asked to stop. I'd rather honor Shin's request than keep pointing out the obvious. You've done a swell enough job of it anyway.

Anyway, the bet's winner is TBD since the losses were at 50m, but no one actually BET on 50m...so uh....I gotta figure out how...this one works.

No Zanzi you do not get all the money so don't ask.

Will let you all know later!~

OK, I'm going to get off the podium and stop speaking as some sort of spokesperson for the corporation and simply speak as myself, since it was my decision to end the war.

Were our goals untenable? At this particular point in time, yes: we could not sport the numbers needed to suppress DUTY's operations, which really came as no shock to me given our corporation's size. Complicating things further was our Anoikis dwelling, which tends to open anywhere in the cluster except where we wish it would. At first I believed this could be mitigated by "rolling" our static, but one of our key specialists in such affairs left for the Tribal Liberation Force; after that happened our chances of reliably engaging DUTY dropped even further. Of course, the ships we tended to field did not help in catching and holding down the fast kiting frigates DUTY tends to field. Could we have set up things like insta-locking sniper setups or smartbomb camps at stations? Certainly, but such tactics require regular numbers to be effective.

At the end of the day, this was an ideological protest. Neither ALXVP nor DUTY were hampered in their ability to prosper economically, and the losses were quite minimal on both sides. DUTY "won" in the sense that they destroyed more ISK-value than they lost, but we're still talking about a destroyer that was roughly valued at 15 million ISK and a cruiser that was roughly valued at 30 million ISK. Neither of those kills are particularly worth bragging over, and I fail to see why the only two ships destroyed in this conflict are being waved around as though this were sport.

Touching on that, yes the initiation of betting really put me off from fighting. This is simply due to private beliefs that are a result of my upbringing and background within my clan; I'd appreciate it if criticisms of dishonesty ceased. When I first joined ALXVP I was under the impression it was a group that was all about using science, technology, and exploration to better humanity; regardless of the ideological underpinnings that initiated this conflict, I do not agree that war with DUTY fits into this impression I had, and since I have temporarily relieved Saede of executive duty I act thusly.

It is my view that ALXVP is a wormhole corporation, and as long as that is so I will not mourn too long over this affair. Catching and fighting frigates in factional warfare lowsec has little to nothing in common with holding systems in Anoikis and exploring their mysteries. If anything, I am glad that I managed to take appropriate position to end things, I'm glad to have learned more about frigate combat. I am also glad to have met (and fought) pilots such as Shintoko and Desiderya.

Well hey, yet another reason all this wouldn't have worked. Good things to keep in mind!

Almost a commendable start Jormagdnir but no. As ever the Paradox strikes flaccid and weak. For supposedly speaking for yourself, your bravado carries an impressive amount of political misdirection and to me in a word is simply spineless.

"Of course, the ships we tended to field did not help in catching and holding down the fast kiting frigates DUTY tends to field."

This is of but nobody's fault other than your own. Given your role in ALXVP I am aware that even before your usurping of Saede Riordan you alone have been the most responsible co-ordinator in overseeing fleet doctrines.

The sole loss of ALXVP's being an Omen class vessel at your hands should serve as a testament to your poor judgement in suitably applying the correct tools for the job.

"Could we have set up things like insta-locking sniper setups or smartbomb camps at stations? Certainly, but such tactics require regular numbers to be effective."

Desist your impotent flailing. No, you could not have utilized such tactics as you have said in your own words. There is no ‘certainty’ about it and this statement holds no worth.

"At the end of the day, this was an ideological protest. Neither ALXVP nor DUTY were hampered in their ability to prosper economically, and the losses were quite minimal on both sides."

Cut the crap, girl. You seek to imply that DUTY were at all under any obligation to hamper the operations of ALXVP. This is a falsehood and an obvious attempt to save face by belittling the achievements of DUTY during the allotted war timeframe.

Since you seem to be struggling to come to terms with events or are a practising revisionist, I’ll clarify so that there can be no doubt;

"DUTY "won" in the sense that they destroyed more ISK-value than they lost..."

Wrong.

DUTY succeeded in meeting their primary objective in continuing operations in the Minmatar theatre. Both sides could have suffered zero losses and Pyre would have still fulfilled it’s operational goals for this war declaration.

Again, you claim that you have stepped down from your pedestal, that you shall be transparent, but no; you are no less scandalous than a filthy harlot spreading her diseases among her community under the false pretense of being clean.

Observe.

"We do this as a demonstration of our convictions and sincerely hope it will dissuade the affected pilots from continuing their actions against the stability of this cluster.["

Alexylva failed to meet it’s victory conditions as outlined here. Our outfit remained were not affected and were able to operate with ease. If anything, the adverse effect was achieved as your corporation served as a great source of amusement, bolstering morale in our ranks.

Furthermore, you failed to meet your own convictions and demonstrably don’t even seem to be aware of the fact as seen here;

"Neither of those kills are particularly worth bragging over, and I fail to see why the only two ships destroyed in this conflict are being waved around as though this were sport."

No, what you fail to appreciate is that these pages upon pages of deliberation over a mere cruiser and destroyer had nothing to do with ‘sport’. Expectant observers are disappointed. They are disappointed because in all of your floundering and chest-beating you did not in any way back up your so-called convictions. Nobody is surprised at the significance of the losses. People are irritated that you have wasted their time whilst blowing hot air and can produce nothing more than two conclusive engagements and even then minor ones at that.

I find it ironic given the previous CEOs support of the New Order that Alexlyva would partake in the very behaviour that the Order opposes.

You see, what you have done is little different to a scorned miner who after being persistently rammed out of range of his lasers due to not purchasing a permit returns in a vessel unsuitable to the engagement laws of High Sec and yellow-boxes his antagonist.

And he stares. And waits. Then finally, he leaves.

That is the flesh of your ‘ideological protest’.

"Touching on that, yes the initiation of betting really put me off from fighting."

So much for proving your convict-

"This is simply due to private beliefs that are a result of my upbringing and background within my clan; I'd appreciate it if criticisms of dishonesty ceased."

Ah, my mistake. They are your convictions, not those of the corporation. I see. You have brilliantly and hastily proven that you are unfit to hold your recently acquired position.

"When I first joined ALXVP I was under the impression it was a group that was all about using science, technology, and exploration to better humanity."

How do you know so little about the corporation you now lead? Tell me where Saede’s intention of conditioning me to act as her little pet assassin fits into your impression of Alexylva.

"Catching and fighting frigates in factional warfare lowsec has little to nothing in common with holding systems in Anoikis and exploring their mysteries."

You do a lot of back-peddling about how ALXVP are a wormhole corporation and how these events should never have transpired but your arguments are a little tepid. Historically, ALXVP has had two pilots who have participated in such activities regularly prior to this war;

Myself.

You.

Since you seem to so fervently wish to disregard facts, I have decided to applaud your interest in rekindling the Paradox as a dedicated wormhole exploration unit. It would be better for yourselves to exist in your private bubble where you can entertain such wild delusions about what and who you are and it would most certainly better for us to not have to humor you.