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Ecm Drones are hurting 1vs1
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-05-26 07:49:18 UTC
Roggle wrote:



1vs1, using a smart bomb guarantees guarantees defeat. Its just like useing ECCM. Your down a mod slot ( this time a weapon slot) you will lose the fight.


So then just burn away and pop the drones as they chase you with your own drones and guns/missile
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#22 - 2013-05-26 07:50:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Roggle wrote:



1vs1, using a smart bomb guarantees guarantees defeat. Its just like useing ECCM. Your down a mod slot ( this time a weapon slot) you will lose the fight.


So then just burn away and pop the drones as they chase you with your own drones and guns/missile


Target ECM drones? Thats quite a oxymoron. Also the time it takes to target down 5 drones you have lost the fight.
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#23 - 2013-05-26 07:51:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Roggle wrote:
Your choices for 1vs1's

Bring ECCM- Win vs people that bring ECM drones, but be down a mid/low slot and lose to anyone that does not use them

Dont bring ECCM-Level playing field with people that dont use ECM drones. but lose to anyone that brings them


I realize there are a thousand threads about this but im butthurt so ya.


Shoot the ECM Drones :)

I am amazed at the amount of fight I have had when in my little tristian with 4 Combat Drones and 1 ECM and people don't shoot the drones.



Target ECM drones? Thats quite a oxymoron. Also the time it takes to target down 5 drones you have lost the fight.
Lexmana
#24 - 2013-05-26 07:51:57 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
perfect example of rock-paper-scissor mechanics imo.



In your opinion is that a good thing? Leaving it to chance, not skill?

well, chance based mechanics (ECM) are not my favourite, but it does add some flavour to the game. When it comes to fittings and counter fittings I think it is generally good to try to learn to know your enemy and fit accordingly. if your good at it you should you should come out on top more often than not.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#25 - 2013-05-26 07:53:27 UTC
This thread is a good example of how buying a character doesn't automatically make you good at EvE.

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2013-05-26 07:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Roggle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Roggle wrote:



1vs1, using a smart bomb guarantees guarantees defeat. Its just like useing ECCM. Your down a mod slot ( this time a weapon slot) you will lose the fight.


So then just burn away and pop the drones as they chase you with your own drones and guns/missile


Target ECM drones? Thats quite a oxymoron. Also the time it takes to target down 5 drones you have lost the fight.


Sounds like your are a terrible pilot. Its almost as if you are one of those who wont adapt unless battleclinic approves the fit.
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#27 - 2013-05-26 07:55:09 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Roggle wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
perfect example of rock-paper-scissor mechanics imo.



In your opinion is that a good thing? Leaving it to chance, not skill?

well, chance based mechanics (ECM) are not my favourite, but it does add some flavour to the game. When it comes to fittings and counter fittings I think it is generally good to try to learn to know your enemy and fit accordingly. if your good at it you should you should come out on top more often than not.




I see your point and understand, but the counters to ECM drones cripple you. I think its a bad mechanic, hardly fun for either parties. One person jammed and cant do anything. One person not taking damage I.E not engaged emotionaly or worried about dying.
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#28 - 2013-05-26 07:56:29 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
This thread is a good example of how buying a character doesn't automatically make you good at EvE.



Never said i was good, or even said anything about my abilities. Not sure what your talking about?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#29 - 2013-05-26 08:03:04 UTC
Did you buy your character?

Oh god.
Roggle
Tactically Euthanized
#30 - 2013-05-26 08:04:34 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Did you buy your character?


Yup
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2013-05-26 08:04:41 UTC
Nevermind, I just checked your posting history lol.

Oh god.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-05-26 08:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerrick Palivorn
I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have brought ECM thinking they have a win against me, and then ask how I did it when there ship blew up. Knowing the weaknesses of your own ship and how to deal with them is just as important as knowing the strengths, and the possibility of being jammed is always an option. My favorite kills are the ones where people die to me while I'm jammed. :)

Edit: Yep, got me too! 10/10

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David Caldera
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-05-26 08:34:11 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
I honestly cannot tell you how many times people have brought ECM thinking they have a win against me, and then ask how I did it when there ship blew up. Knowing the weaknesses of your own ship and how to deal with them is just as important as knowing the strengths, and the possibility of being jammed is always an option. My favorite kills are the ones where people die to me while I'm jammed. :)

Edit: Yep, got me too! 10/10
Mind giving me some practical advice on that? I'm currently starting to get into Small/Medium hull solo PvP again and I haven't quite figured out how to deal with ECM drones yet.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#34 - 2013-05-26 09:06:00 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
This just in - a non-damaging choice in tactics is effective. More at 11.

Also, if being down one mod is the difference between winning and losing, you're doing it so wrong.



Of course one mod means something, in a 1vs1 being down a mod vs a simliar ship class almost guarantees defeat.


Dude, intelligent manual piloting more than makes up for 1 less slot. The differences between ships is much more massive, and you can kill a t2 frigate in a rifter.

FFS most of the people playing this game just load the shortest range ammo and fly straight at you. Simply using your damn brain gives you a leg up.

Also, ECM drones are not reliable. They are effective, but don't guarantee ****.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-26 09:58:21 UTC
Roggle wrote:
1vs1, using a smart bomb guarantees guarantees defeat. Its just like useing ECCM. Your down a mod slot ( this time a weapon slot) you will lose the fight.


oh dear you might have to make fitting decisions more complicated than using a battleclinic fit

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-05-26 10:02:13 UTC
Why do I have to counter people who warp off during a fight by losing a valuable midslot to fit a scram? That's so unfair

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-05-26 10:28:39 UTC
So let me get this correct,, OP is complaining because he cannot create an un-counterable ship......? One word for you OP, intel, you should use it.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#38 - 2013-05-26 10:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Roggle wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
This thread is a good example of how buying a character doesn't automatically make you good at EvE.



Never said i was good, or even said anything about my abilities. Not sure what your talking about?



They're telling you that, just because you haven't figured out how to deal with ECM drones doesn't mean that nobody else has.

They've even told you some of the ways you can deal with ECM drones. But you've decided you know more about EVE than people who have been around far longer than you, so you don't seem to want to pay attention.


Anyway, EVE is a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors-Hotdrop-Counterdrop-NodeCrash. Why should we have a problem with that?

Why shouldn't you have to sacrifice anything or make any tactical decisions to counter something that your opponent sacrificed their DPS drones for?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-05-26 10:40:40 UTC
errr 1v1? it's a complex mass scale combat game. Ugh

PONG----> that way

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-05-26 11:06:31 UTC
Roggle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So use a lowslot for your ECCM.



same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod


its too rocky/paper/scissors


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