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Remap availaibility

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Danni stark
#21 - 2013-05-26 09:18:01 UTC
your analogy is that bad, i fail to see what relation "people working together to do stuff" has to do with neural remaps/consequences to actions.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-05-26 09:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Six Six Six wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
you don't even need to split the profits.


oh right, it doesn't make sense because it's based on the premise that accounts are free.

got it.



No it's not about accounts are free, I have 6 accounts, only 1 active now as I used to use alts.

It's more about being able to do more stuff solo that you could only normally do in a group.


So it has nothing to do with skillpoint or brain remaps...
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-05-26 09:27:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
you don't even need to split the profits.


oh right, it doesn't make sense because it's based on the premise that accounts are free.

got it.



No it's not about accounts are free, I have 6 accounts, only 1 active now as I used to use alts.

It's more about being able to do more stuff solo that you could only normally do in a group.


So it has nothing to do with skillpoint or brain remaps...



Actually this thread is about neural remaps, a few other people have added in skill point reallocation.


So stop trying to deliberately derail the thread. That's a sign that you feel your argument is weak.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#24 - 2013-05-26 09:29:22 UTC
Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-05-26 09:31:48 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:



Actually this thread is about neural remaps, a few other people have added in skill point reallocation.


So stop trying to deliberately derail the thread. That's a sign that you feel your argument is weak.


My argument is exactly the same as CCPs.

Suck it up princesses and be grateful you can do this at all. We will not be getting the ability to do this whenever we want because it is not how this game works. Live with your choices.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#26 - 2013-05-26 09:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
baltec1 wrote:
My argument is exactly the same as CCPs.

Suck it up princesses and be grateful you can do this at all. We will not be getting the ability to do this whenever we want because it is not how this game works. Live with your choices.


Jesus. Pull your head out of the sand. Just because it's that way now, doesn't mean it can't or won't change. If CCP had any sense, they'd recognise what a massive additional revenue stream this could be. They should run a time limited trial and see what response they get. I am quietly confident that there'd be a massive take up.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-05-26 09:56:15 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:


Jesus. Pull your head out of the sand. Just because it's that way now, doesn't mean it can't or won't change. If CCP had any sense, they'd recognise what a massive additional revenue stream this could be. They should run a time limited trial and see what response they get. I am quietly confident that there'd be a massive take up.


They floated the idea. It was shot down by everyone but the bears. Its not going to happen.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#28 - 2013-05-26 10:03:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
They floated the idea. It was shot down by everyone but the bears. Its not going to happen.


Well then how does it affect you? Seems utterly spiteful IMHO. It should be implemented regardless - if you don't want to use it, then don't use it. Those Bears that do, can.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-26 10:06:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
PLEX for remap is a terrible, absolutely terrible idea. Please don't mention it ever again.



So why do you say it's such a terrible idea, care to expand on what I just quoted of yours?


People forever respecing to whatever the flavour of the month is like in all of those other MMO that allow this. No consequences to your choices.

Paying ISK is consequences
(c) Tippia

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Danni stark
#30 - 2013-05-26 10:09:50 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
They floated the idea. It was shot down by everyone but the bears. Its not going to happen.


Well then how does it affect you? Seems utterly spiteful IMHO. It should be implemented regardless - if you don't want to use it, then don't use it. Those Bears that do, can.


because it's a single shard mmo where whatever affects one player indirectly affects EVERY player.

also the entire idea completely removes the point of having skill attributes to begin with, which before any other considerations makes it a pretty dumb idea.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#31 - 2013-05-26 10:55:30 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
because it's a single shard mmo where whatever affects one player indirectly affects EVERY player.


No it doesn't. If I never meet you then it never affects you. A really poor argument.

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also the entire idea completely removes the point of having skill attributes to begin with, which before any other considerations makes it a pretty dumb idea.


Of course it doesn't. Attribute points still affect the rate at which you learn - they should be kept and so should learning implants.

I'm not sure that it's possible to dumb down the logic low enough for you to grasp it. You have already made the time investment, you aren't gaining anything, you are simply changing where that investment is. It's common sense FFS.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#32 - 2013-05-26 11:04:09 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
You have already made the time investment

No you haven't.
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-26 11:11:14 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:

It's more about being able to do more stuff solo that you could only normally do in a group.


And that's why remaps and **** will never be on demand. Remaps on demand encourage compartmentalized thinking and never having to plan beyond your next skill. The whole point of EvE being a single shard world is that everything interacts with everything else, the fact that this game has consequences that you can't just grind away, or buy away with whatever is one of the few things that gives weight to your choices and makes them matter. It's like a parent making a kid brush their teeth. In the end, it's for your own good.

As for skill respec's that doesn't even warrant a response. You are bad and should feel bad.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#34 - 2013-05-26 11:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
John Ratcliffe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
My argument is exactly the same as CCPs.

Suck it up princesses and be grateful you can do this at all. We will not be getting the ability to do this whenever we want because it is not how this game works. Live with your choices.


Jesus. Pull your head out of the sand. Just because it's that way now, doesn't mean it can't or won't change. If CCP had any sense, they'd recognise what a massive additional revenue stream this could be. They should run a time limited trial and see what response they get. I am quietly confident that there'd be a massive take up.

I want two skill sets then. Changing the active skillset should be done by a player built item that is consumed in the process. Why pay a plex every time I want to change skills?

After all, WoW has this service too. Since 2007 even. Why not in EVE?

Remove standings and insurance.

Danni stark
#35 - 2013-05-26 11:20:39 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
because it's a single shard mmo where whatever affects one player indirectly affects EVERY player.


No it doesn't. If I never meet you then it never affects you. A really poor argument.

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also the entire idea completely removes the point of having skill attributes to begin with, which before any other considerations makes it a pretty dumb idea.


Of course it doesn't. Attribute points still affect the rate at which you learn - they should be kept and so should learning implants.

I'm not sure that it's possible to dumb down the logic low enough for you to grasp it. You have already made the time investment, you aren't gaining anything, you are simply changing where that investment is. It's common sense FFS.


wrong, just because you haven't met some one doesn't mean they don't affect you. i doubt you mined all the minerals, and built all your own ships and modules. did you? some one else did, that you've never met, that just affected your game...
shocking, huh?

yes attributes still affect the rate at which you learn, which can be changed at will so they may as well not exist and just give every one the optimal sp/hour for all skills.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-05-26 11:22:57 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
It is an amazing idea and anyone arguing otherwise is utterly ret@rded IMHO. It should have been implemented years ago. Not only that, but IMHO you should be able to skill respec as well; don't need a skill any more? Just respec it and put the points where you want.

Do it now CCP.

Gah, are you serious? A skill respec is a horrible idea. I guess you must be trolling here, at least sincerely hope so.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-26 11:24:49 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:

It's more about being able to do more stuff solo that you could only normally do in a group.


And that's why remaps and **** will never be on demand. Remaps on demand encourage compartmentalized thinking and never having to plan beyond your next skill.

what is funny is he same arguments didn't help to learning skills. People who can never plan ahead won this battle.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#38 - 2013-05-26 11:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Danni stark wrote:
wrong, just because you haven't met some one doesn't mean they don't affect you. i doubt you mined all the minerals, and built all your own ships and modules. did you? some one else did, that you've never met, that just affected your game...
shocking, huh?


And? I can buy anything I like at any time, whether I have the skills to use it or not. I don't accept that POV I'm afraid.

Quote:
yes attributes still affect the rate at which you learn, which can be changed at will so they may as well not exist and just give every one the optimal sp/hour for all skills.


Stupid argument is stupid. You still need to invest time to gain the SPs in the first place. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-26 11:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
My argument is exactly the same as CCPs.

Suck it up princesses and be grateful you can do this at all. We will not be getting the ability to do this whenever we want because it is not how this game works. Live with your choices.


Jesus. Pull your head out of the sand. Just because it's that way now, doesn't mean it can't or won't change. If CCP had any sense, they'd recognise what a massive additional revenue stream this could be. They should run a time limited trial and see what response they get. I am quietly confident that there'd be a massive take up.

I want two skill sets then. Changing the active skillset should be done by a player built item that is consumed in the process. Why pay a plex every time I want to change skills?

After all, WoW has this service too. Since 2007 even. Why not in EVE?


2 reasons.

1) WoW has "Levels" a "Level cap" and thusly FINITE AMOUNT OF SKILL POINT PER PLAYER. As in, you get to a point where you cannot gain any more skills and would be stuck with an unchanging characters for the rest of eternity

2) By the time you get to the point where you're wanting to Respec, you're doing instanced raids and battlegrounds. Playing locked off parts of the game that reset at the end and have no impact outside of the instance.

John Ratcliffe wrote:
I can buy anything I like at any time, whether I have the skills to use it or not. I don't accept that POV I'm afraid.


You can not accept it all you want. Doesn't make her any less right.

Unplug keyboard, engage brain.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages

Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-05-26 11:28:18 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
After all, WoW has this service too. Since 2007 even. Why not in EVE?

Just re-quoting for prosperity. I'll let the quote speak for itself. :)