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Tristan North
The Scope
#1 - 2011-10-20 21:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tristan North
Most of the stations orbit is 4-5000 km far from the planet.
Isn't it too far? The International Space Station orbit at 350-400 km, and at that distance the view of the planet would be much more beautiful-immersive.
Also, it would be great to have some stations (Jita) larger than the others, to rapresent the huge commercial traffic. :D

That's what i mean: http://highdefinitionwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/wallpapers/Eve-Online-Tyrannis-Space-Station-Wallpaper.jpg
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2011-10-20 21:21:36 UTC
Would be ugly for those living on the planets.. o.0
Hershman
Creepers Corporation
#3 - 2011-10-20 21:23:48 UTC
I always thought the stations were at moons o.O

Either way, i like your ideas. Eye-candy goes a long way in Eve

+1

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2011-10-20 21:25:50 UTC
Hershman wrote:
I always thought the stations were at moons o.O

Either way, i like your ideas. Eye-candy goes a long way in Eve

+1


This. Stations are anchored by moons, not by planets.

There are some exceptions in hisec, though, and I'm pretty sure those are in more reasonable ranges to their planets.

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Tristan North
The Scope
#5 - 2011-10-20 21:36:46 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


This. Stations are anchored by moons, not by planets.

There are some exceptions in hisec, though, and I'm pretty sure those are in more reasonable ranges to their planets.

Not really, 4-5000 km is the distance from Planets, moons are not targetable, so i can't say exactly without mwd to it.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-20 21:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Tristan North wrote:
Most of the stations orbit is 4-5000 km far from the planet.
Isn't it too far? The International Space Station orbit at 350-400 km, and at that distance the view of the planet would be much more beautiful-immersive.
Also, it would be great to have some stations (Jita) larger than the others, to rapresent the huge commercial traffic. :D



the iss is about the size of a football field...... an eve online station is much much much larger.

if a station several km in diameter was placed in orbit at 350km the planet's gravity would pull it towards the planet.

the bigger the object the greater the range of gravitational effect as all objects of matter exert a gravitational tug on other objects however small it may be.

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Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#7 - 2011-10-20 21:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Guillame Herschel
David Grogan wrote:
if a station several km in diameter was placed in orbit at 350km the planet's gravity would pull it towards the planet.


That is true regardless of the size or mass of the station. It's how any satellite remains in orbit, instead of flying off in a straight line into deep space.

Noticeable effects may be generated on the surface of the planet, such as a higher high tides when the station is passing overhead.
mkint
#8 - 2011-10-20 22:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
alt+left+right click -> move mouse left/right until planets appear as big as you want them.

The ISS is technically in "low earth orbit" if I recall correctly, and it works because it is much smaller than EVE stations and moves very quickly. EVE stations don't move at all, and really should be millions of km away from planets to be safe from falling.

iirc, the ISS orbits the earth once every 1.5 hours.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2011-10-20 22:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
David Grogan wrote:
Tristan North wrote:
Most of the stations orbit is 4-5000 km far from the planet.
Isn't it too far? The International Space Station orbit at 350-400 km, and at that distance the view of the planet would be much more beautiful-immersive.
Also, it would be great to have some stations (Jita) larger than the others, to rapresent the huge commercial traffic. :D


the iss is about the size of a football field...... an eve online station is much much much larger.

if a station several km in diameter was placed in orbit at 350km the planet's gravity would pull it towards the planet.

the bigger the object the greater the range of gravitational effect as all objects of matter exert a gravitational tug on other objects however small it may be.


I think someone needs to learn about the powers of 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0 See 1:33 for what 100 km is, and 1:43 for what 1000 km is. Also, a space station is so tiny that its gravitational effect is virtually none on the celestial object associated with it. Edit: I'm dumb and I was thinking of the ISS. Seems that EVE stations are indeed that big, and I guess that explains the distance they have to keep from planets.

The OP is right about the distances, but stations orbit moons, not planets. There are a few exceptions, such as the three stations orbiting Amamake II, but I can't currently log on and check exactly how far those are from the planet.

Tristan North wrote:
Not really, 4-5000 km is the distance from Planets, moons are not targetable, so i can't say exactly without mwd to it.


Yes, they are. You have to edit your overview settings, but they are. Ninja edit: I think there's a hotkey to temporarily show all objects on the screen, but I forget what it is. Alt-X?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-20 23:11:47 UTC
The Gallente outpost is quite close to 100 km tall. Explain how would you anchor that 350k off a planet's surface?
Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2011-10-20 23:13:25 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Most of the stations orbit is 4-5000 km far from the planet.
Isn't it too far? The International Space Station orbit at 350-400 km, and at that distance the view of the planet would be much more beautiful-immersive.
Also, it would be great to have some stations (Jita) larger than the others, to rapresent the huge commercial traffic. :D

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-20 23:19:14 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Most of the stations orbit is 4-5000 km far from the planet.
Isn't it too far? The International Space Station orbit at 350-400 km, and at that distance the view of the planet would be much more beautiful-immersive.
Also, it would be great to have some stations (Jita) larger than the others, to rapresent the huge commercial traffic. :D

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.


ofc a suddenly change in gravitational shift will kill millions if a titan warps in. For a station that orbits the planet daily, u would think that the ppl down there would have already adapted to the change like tides etc..

titan =/= station.
Alara IonStorm
#13 - 2011-10-20 23:23:59 UTC
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

ofc a suddenly change in gravitational shift will kill millions if a titan warps in. For a station that orbits the planet daily, u would think that the ppl down there would have already adapted to the change like tides etc..

titan =/= station.

Oh so you kill millions once then have a sort of nice view you get bored of after a month then you like it for an hour when you describe it to tourist.

Worth it.
Tristan North
The Scope
#14 - 2011-10-20 23:30:02 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.

So, if you have a titan in game you really can't come close to a planet?
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2011-10-20 23:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Tristan North wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.

So, if you have a titan in game you really can't come close to a planet?


Nope you can go through them it is lore vs Game Mechanic they never decided to code it. Planets are not collidable objects.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-20 23:35:57 UTC
Tristan North wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.

So, if you have a titan in game you really can't come close to a planet?



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FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-10-20 23:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: FlamesOfHeaven
Alara IonStorm wrote:
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

ofc a suddenly change in gravitational shift will kill millions if a titan warps in. For a station that orbits the planet daily, u would think that the ppl down there would have already adapted to the change like tides etc..

titan =/= station.

Oh so you kill millions once then have a sort of nice view you get bored of after a month then you like it for an hour when you describe it to tourist.

Worth it.


idiot.. station dont pop up from "nowhere" in the world of Eve lore. People arent that blind to stupid to not know if a station is getting setup/built on their planet orbit thus moving out of low lying areas or w/e during so
Tristan North
The Scope
#18 - 2011-10-20 23:44:41 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

No.

It is stated in Lore that Titans are restricted from coming close to planets because gravitational shift killed millions. A 10km Titan vs a 60-90km Station.

I think people could do without the view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms95NKFnhCU&feature=relmfu
Too close?
Alara IonStorm
#19 - 2011-10-20 23:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
FlamesOfHeaven wrote:

idiot.. station dont pop up from "nowhere" in the world of Eve lore. People arent that blind to stupid to not know if a station is getting setup/built on their planet orbit thus moving out of low lying areas or w/e during so

Yeah I am the idiot for not wanting to uproute Billions of people which would cost hundreds of billions of ISK in planetary work stoppages and relocation costs. Then there is the cost of the dmg the tsunami's and earthquakes will do to the cities and the possibility of volcanic eruption destroying the atmosphere.

I guess they could avoid all of that hassle by putting the station into Orbit around the Moon and just warp there the second you break atmo. But you know it is a nice view... idiot.
Tristan North wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms95NKFnhCU&feature=relmfu
Too close?

The Titans are about 20000 Km off and the Station is 4-5000 km off if those planets are Earth sized.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#20 - 2011-10-20 23:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiska Ensa
There's no way a station, no matter how big, is going to affect the tides on a planet. For one, they're not solid, for two, Earth's moon is something like 7.36 x 10^19 metric tonnes and (granted, it's 380,000 km away) barely raises the tides a few metres at most.

HOWEVER, an object that large would create a very, very large crater should it fall out of orbit. Even at 350 km there is still air (although the pressure is so low engineers consider it as individual particles rather than a fluid)

Now, sure you can mount thrusters on them, but why would you want to burn all that fuel when you can just move the station higher? Heavy-lift capability doesn't seem to be a problem in Eve, if my PI is any indication :)

There's also the ships docking and undocking, debris from station games, and the warp drives of the ships to consider. These reasons alone would be enough to keep a station well away from a planet's surface.



In regards to the titan thing, it's very likely it wasn't the mass of the titan but rather the spatial distortion produced by it's warp drive (which remains active to a degree even when a ship is not moving FTL). A warp field and a gravity field may be quite different, but to the vulnerable inhabitants of a planet, the distinction is likely arbitrary.

Oh, and stations exist at both moons and planets. Sometimes multiple stations share the same orbit (Jita 4-4 for example)
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