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Should two minor pirate factions become major?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2013-05-25 17:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
IMO

EOM and Thukker should become major pirate factions

edit: some have suggest instead of thukker we do Krusual tribe to which is am ok with we just need a new null sec region for them

currently you have"
angel (min/gal)
serp (gal/min)
guritas (cal/gal)
blood (min/ammar)
sansha (cal/ammar)

what is missing is a cal/min and an ammar/gal lineup

The eve lore for Thukker could be that they were displeased with Angel faction after Jamil Sarum destroyed the eldar fleet so they teamed up with a deregulated caldari Major corporation to take over for protection of Great wild lands.

There should be Tukker pirate faction frig/crusier/battle ship

the role bonus for all 3 would be shield tanking

so:
37.5% bonus to effectivness of shield booster

then caldari bonus:
5% to rate of fire of missiles

then minmatar bonus:
5% to max speed per level

this would make them fast nible tanky ships spewing missiles (currently no pirate faction special for missiles and no guritas does not count)

then for EOM i would add a new null sec faction region separating gal/ammar space
the RP thing would be there is allot of gal's who think its the end of days and are joining the EOM on mass...

The role bonus for EOM ships would be hard hitting good tank long range rail ships using ammar ship hulls:

so role bonus would be:
50% increase to hybrid turret range

then: gal bonus:
5% to rate of fire for hybrid turrets

then ammar bonus:
4% to armor resistance per level

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#2 - 2013-05-25 17:24:25 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
IMO

EOM and Thukker should become major pirate factions

currently you have"
angel (min/gal)
serp (gal/min)
guritas (cal/gal)
blood (min/ammar)
sansha (cal/ammar)

what is missing is a cal/min and an ammar/gal lineup

The eve lore for Thukker could be that they were displeased with Angel faction after Jamil Sarum destroyed the eldar fleet so they teamed up with a deregulated caldari Major corporation to take over for protection of Great wild lands.

There should be Tukker pirate faction frig/crusier/battle ship

the role bonus for all 3 would be shield tanking

so:
37.5% bonus to effectivness of shield booster

then caldari bonus:
5% to rate of fire of missiles

then minmatar bonus:
5% to max speed per level

this would make them fast nible tanky ships spewing missiles (currently no pirate faction special for missiles and no guritas does not count)

then for EOM i would add a new null sec faction region separating gal/ammar space
the RP thing would be there is allot of gal's who think its the end of days and are joining the EOM on mass...

The role bonus for EOM ships would be hard hitting good tank long range rail ships using ammar ship hulls:

so role bonus would be:
50% increase to hybrid turret range

then: gal bonus:
5% to rate of fire for hybrid turrets

then ammar bonus:
4% to armor resistance per level

The EOM ships sound very overpowered.

The Thukker ships sound mildly overpowered, too.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#3 - 2013-05-25 17:37:26 UTC
not more then anyother pirate faction i would think...

they are all pretty op... which is not bad since the bs's cost half a billion isk and the frigs cost 100 million

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Baikur
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-25 17:46:49 UTC
Thukker already have:

Jaguar
Nomad
Vagabond
Panther
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5 - 2013-05-25 17:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Baikur wrote:
Thukker already have:

Jaguar
Nomad
Vagabond
Panther


thats thukker mix not thukker tribe...

and whoes to say they cant have a pirate faction protecting thier space? they already do with angel

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-05-25 18:00:08 UTC
There is no such thing as 'too many ships'.

Solhild
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-25 18:26:22 UTC
I think this is worth considering/tweaking but a good idea at least.

Maybe thukker should stay as it is and the pirate faction could be based on the krusual tribe?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#8 - 2013-05-25 18:48:05 UTC
Solhild wrote:
I think this is worth considering/tweaking but a good idea at least.

Maybe thukker should stay as it is and the pirate faction could be based on the krusual tribe?



yeah cool if you guys are concerened about lap over from the name we can allways go with krusual tribe

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Solhild
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-25 19:02:24 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Solhild wrote:
I think this is worth considering/tweaking but a good idea at least.

Maybe thukker should stay as it is and the pirate faction could be based on the krusual tribe?



yeah cool if you guys are concerened about lap over from the name we can allways go with krusual tribe



"The Krusual tribe is sly and cunning, shrouding its ways in lies and secrecy. It is isolationist by nature, but lately it's been becoming more and more involved with the power politics of the Republic, staking a claim for its mastery"

Reads like a decent foundation for a technical alliance with a Caldari MegaCorp.

Not sure if ships are OP at all, that stuff can all be tweaked to work properly.

Lets get it done, those EOM ships are excellent Big smile
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#10 - 2013-05-25 19:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Solhild wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Solhild wrote:
I think this is worth considering/tweaking but a good idea at least.

Maybe thukker should stay as it is and the pirate faction could be based on the krusual tribe?



yeah cool if you guys are concerened about lap over from the name we can allways go with krusual tribe



"The Krusual tribe is sly and cunning, shrouding its ways in lies and secrecy. It is isolationist by nature, but lately it's been becoming more and more involved with the power politics of the Republic, staking a claim for its mastery"

Reads like a decent foundation for a technical alliance with a Caldari MegaCorp.

Not sure if ships are OP at all, that stuff can all be tweaked to work properly.

Lets get it done, those EOM ships are excellent Big smile


not only are they exellent but they are purdy... the eom ships would be like a rokh and a abbadon had a baby...

the krusual ships are kitting versions of phoons cyclones and Breacher... (havent you allways wanted a pirate faction Breacher?)

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-25 19:34:33 UTC
@OP

"Should" I don't know if it's the appropriate word but for the main point, being the interest or not, I'd say yes for many reasons including older players new goals and entertaining.

Now for ships bonus and stats it's a bit too earlier to talk about but the main traits or specifics I'd mostly agree.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#12 - 2013-05-25 20:30:05 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
@OP

"Should" I don't know if it's the appropriate word but for the main point, being the interest or not, I'd say yes for many reasons including older players new goals and entertaining.

Now for ships bonus and stats it's a bit too earlier to talk about but the main traits or specifics I'd mostly agree.


yeah they can always be changed... but i thought giving them a bonus now would help determin how they would fly like eom would be combat and the other would be attack concept

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Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2013-05-25 20:58:06 UTC
There are quite a few NPC groups that could use some ships, some even have Sov of regions, but no ships. :P

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-25 21:03:01 UTC
EOM uses shield tanking, missile/rail spewing, Amarr ships.

Yeah...

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Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
#15 - 2013-05-25 21:07:41 UTC
I say no.
Basically it's a good idea but you have to think about how and in which way CCP delivers its content. Half-baked. Let's have a look at the drone regions and rogue drones as "faction". They're in dire state. This region is crappier than ever, lost its special attribute (alloys), exploration is horrible, loot is awful and the newly introduced officer mods are just 'meh'. "Woah look a meta lvl 14 drone link augmentor ... cool ... erm not".
CCP could have introduced rogue drone faction ships - like an infested Domi with tentacles floating around the hull instead of the current Federation Navy Camo Potato. Or a faction Myrmidon. Or new cruiser/battlecruisers using rogue drone hulls. Some of them look quite sexxxy. Would've been a great and reasonable boost for drone regions. Instead they go for boring uniform navy drake/brutix/harby/cane. Integrated/augmented/navy drones are mostly crap as well or just massively pre nerfed (not that the difference matters).
So a new major pirate faction would require an extended lore, new exploration possibilities and maybe new missions of some sort to carry its new important role. Everything related to rogue drones is still a construction area ... for half a decade now.
CCP isn't even able to "complete" the current factions properly.

Ps. my vote goes to EoM - Equilibrium of Mankind Big smile

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#16 - 2013-05-25 21:29:59 UTC
Mother Drone wrote:
I say no.
Basically it's a good idea but you have to think about how and in which way CCP delivers its content. Half-baked. Let's have a look at the drone regions and rogue drones as "faction". They're in dire state. This region is crappier than ever, lost its special attribute (alloys), exploration is horrible, loot is awful and the newly introduced officer mods are just 'meh'. "Woah look a meta lvl 14 drone link augmentor ... cool ... erm not".
CCP could have introduced rogue drone faction ships - like an infested Domi with tentacles floating around the hull instead of the current Federation Navy Camo Potato. Or a faction Myrmidon. Or new cruiser/battlecruisers using rogue drone hulls. Some of them look quite sexxxy. Would've been a great and reasonable boost for drone regions. Instead they go for boring uniform navy drake/brutix/harby/cane. Integrated/augmented/navy drones are mostly crap as well or just massively pre nerfed (not that the difference matters).
So a new major pirate faction would require an extended lore, new exploration possibilities and maybe new missions of some sort to carry its new important role. Everything related to rogue drones is still a construction area ... for half a decade now.
CCP isn't even able to "complete" the current factions properly.

Ps. my vote goes to EoM - Equilibrium of Mankind Big smile



well hopefully we will get a proper themepark expansion in the winter to finish off the exploration theme... and we will have proper drone regions...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#17 - 2013-05-25 21:31:22 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
There are quite a few NPC groups that could use some ships, some even have Sov of regions, but no ships. :P


this is true for the major pirate factions i think they should have 3 bonus like current ones

but for the minor i think they should be on par with faction ships but just have a new paint job...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-25 22:09:50 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
IMO

EOM and Thukker should become major pirate factions

edit: some have suggest instead of thukker we do Krusual tribe to which is am ok with we just need a new null sec region for them

currently you have"
angel (min/gal)
serp (gal/min)
guritas (cal/gal)
blood (min/ammar)
sansha (cal/ammar)

what is missing is a cal/min and an ammar/gal lineup

The eve lore for Thukker could be that they were displeased with Angel faction after Jamil Sarum destroyed the eldar fleet so they teamed up with a deregulated caldari Major corporation to take over for protection of Great wild lands.

There should be Tukker pirate faction frig/crusier/battle ship

the role bonus for all 3 would be shield tanking

so:
37.5% bonus to effectivness of shield booster

then caldari bonus:
5% to rate of fire of missiles

then minmatar bonus:
5% to max speed per level

this would make them fast nible tanky ships spewing missiles (currently no pirate faction special for missiles and no guritas does not count)

then for EOM i would add a new null sec faction region separating gal/ammar space
the RP thing would be there is allot of gal's who think its the end of days and are joining the EOM on mass...

The role bonus for EOM ships would be hard hitting good tank long range rail ships using ammar ship hulls:

so role bonus would be:
50% increase to hybrid turret range

then: gal bonus:
5% to rate of fire for hybrid turrets

then ammar bonus:
4% to armor resistance per level

Yeah good idea to be honest in principle. Although would be nice if they could tweak some of the other pirate faction ships first along with pirate BCs and Destroyers.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#19 - 2013-05-25 22:46:13 UTC
How about we let CCP work on more faction ships before we ask them to make more factions?

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-25 23:28:59 UTC
for amarr/gallente, just use rogue drones.

I want a flyable infested Domi, DAMNIT!

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