EVE General Discussion

This is not true of Providence, all of the holder alliances there actively protect neutrals. It is null and there always reds around and neutrals do get shot by holders from time to time. But for the most part its pretty safe to work there, and for all the talk of how Provi is poor, the rat bounties are much better than Empire space. And all the stations are open to dock in so there is no problem having multiple ships or storing loot. Combine this with a modest local market and it really is the perfect place to try out nullsec.

And yet we are far from over-run by neutrals ratting and mining. There's more than a few, but nothing like I would expect after seeing the population pressure in highsec. So there is a bit more going on than just over aggressive PvPers killing everyone. There is some other reason that null is underpopulated.

If you want to visit Providence check yourself and your last 2 corps on the KOS checker here ---> http://kos.cva-eve.org/

And mark the holder alliances blue or neutral so you know who they are ---> http://providenceregion.blogspot.com/

Don't shoot anyone or cause any trouble. Don't act like a spy; don't stay on grid with a group of holders that may be a fleet staging. Talk in local a lot and let people know what you are doing. If you do get blown up by holders just relax, start a convo with them and see about reimbursement, most FC's that screw up like that are happy to do so. That's pretty much it, come and mine or rat as much as you want. Stockpile your Ore and ask around for a freighter, those guys usually have room on the outbound leg and are happy to take a load for very reasonable cost.

There are plenty of people smart and skilled enough to survive while making ISK in nullsec, they haven't been "hunted to extinction" or any such nonsense. The fact that they're smart and skilled means they know they can make more ISK easier in hisec, so that's what they do.

Really though, more bitter nullsec rejects and hisec scrublords who have never left hisec besides their first and only gate camp gank need to chime in here. Always valuable insight from those groups of losers and people who never even tried in the first place.

This is called "seeing what you want to see, even when it's not there". There are plenty of people who live in high sec and would take the risk of isk making in null (more often) if it were more worth it, im one of them and i still keepratting/explorer alts in null just for a change of pace when incursions get boring.

But most people aren't like that and very many EVe players would stick to high sec even if you gave them 1 PLEX for every jump they did in null sec lol.

Posting in yet another stealth "nerf high sec" thread.

For one, the primary source of income in Null is passive: Moon Goo. A secondary source of income is ratting and mining in well-protected inner systems. People are not spread out in Null like they are in Hisec, because if a threat does happen to roll around, the Sov holders can project their forces throughout their territory very quickly, before that threat even comes close to a sensitive area. Basically, Sov holders can afford to stay in the choice systems, only keeping scouts in choke systems, even though they technically own entire regions.

If that is too depressing, and it makes you sad to roam Null and not see anyone willing to hunt your cloaky T3, then come jump into W-space with us. We'll be happy to spend hours chasing you :)

But you cannot make an empire.

Yes its about the isk. Why take on that added risk and forced downtime in isk making when high sec offers the same but with no drawbacks?

They dont care.

There's always the fundamental misunderstanding in these threads where people think we're advocating for moving hisec players to nullsec through incentive. All we care about is moving nullsec players to nullsec through incentive. We love nullsec gameplay, and we want more of it. Unfortunately, we seriously handicap ourselves if we choose to generate our ISK in nullsec instead of hisec, and that really isn't fun.

If you don't want to be in nullsec, then we don't want you there either. Also, you probably don't want us in hisec either, as that's where we get the ideas for fun stuff like Burn Jita, ganking, hisec wardecs, and so on.

The only thing holding back a sensible risk/reward balance is a tiny vocal minority of multi-boxing/afk superheroes who care nothing for casual gameplay and everything for the simultaneous eating and having of cake. True "casual" gamers don;t care about their isk/hour or even read these forums, yet they are spoken for by turbo-nerd isk farmers who claim to represent their interests. The sooner this cancer is isolated and excised, the sooner everyone can benefit by a better and more balanced game.

I'm sorry, I had to repost this for you because you didn't say the underlined part loud enough.