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"Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I" vs "Shield Power Relay II" Stats
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DSpite Culhach
#1 - 2013-05-23 12:05:33 UTC
I have some difficulty finding this in forums discussed anywhere, other then "never bother getting SPR II's cause they are harder to fit, and do EXACTLY the same thing.

I just checked the stats in EVEMon, and all bonuses are the same, but the SPRII use 22 CPU vs the BRC:SPRI of 16 CPU.

Prices are also 320K vs over 1 million for the SPRII, so Meta wins again.

Should not this be "fixed"? even if by adding a 1% to the SPRII's to make it slightly wortwhile? The T2 version are pointless as they are.

Am I missing something?

I have said this before in another thread .... somewhere. It's just starting to irk me cause I often go all T2 on a ship and accidentally use up more CPU by getting the T2's when they don't actually do anything better.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#2 - 2013-05-23 12:21:43 UTC
The limited supply of the high meta modules should push the price up, the T2 being limited by the manufacturing process.
As things stand there must therefore be a significant oversupply in the market.

Boosting the T2 bonuses in not the route to take - though with the SPR there is the option of reducing the cap penalty to differentiate the T2 from the Meta and provide a justification for the additional costs (fitting and financial).

But if that were to happen then there are many other modules which would then, with a precedent set, stand to be changed in a similar manner.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-23 12:58:53 UTC
also it would obsolete SO many items.

sometimes meta 4 modules do in fact become in short supply. For example im currently making a killing selling some of my hoarded items, it's good for the market.

Art of Explosions
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-05-23 21:25:22 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
The limited supply of the high meta modules should push the price up, the T2 being limited by the manufacturing process.
As things stand there must therefore be a significant oversupply in the market.

Boosting the T2 bonuses in not the route to take - though with the SPR there is the option of reducing the cap penalty to differentiate the T2 from the Meta and provide a justification for the additional costs (fitting and financial).

But if that were to happen then there are many other modules which would then, with a precedent set, stand to be changed in a similar manner.

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CCP has already started doing things like this. Look at 1600mm Steel Plates 2 compared to the meta 4.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-05-23 21:36:33 UTC
Meta 4 items should be very marginally worse than T2, but easier to fit.

And not a single meta 4 item should drop anywhere in hisec.

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#6 - 2013-05-24 12:37:15 UTC
Roime wrote:
Meta 4 items should be very marginally worse than T2, but easier to fit.

Which generally holds, with such cases like with SPR being rather exception than the rule.

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And not a single meta 4 item should drop anywhere in hisec.

All officer, best deadspace and good deal of faction mods already drop only in low/null so with all due respect, please go stuff yourself.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-24 12:46:52 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Roime wrote:
Meta 4 items should be very marginally worse than T2, but easier to fit.

Which generally holds, with such cases like with SPR being rather exception than the rule.

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And not a single meta 4 item should drop anywhere in hisec.

All officer, best deadspace and good deal of faction mods already drop only in low/null so with all due respect, please go stuff yourself.


faction mods should not drop in highsec.

m4 is reasonable

Art of Explosions
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-05-24 14:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Shield power relays are only used in passive tanks, and outside of this they have no demand. They could probably give the T2 version a bit less cap recharge hit, but it is a similar relationship in CPRs, SFCs and CFCs.

My bad this is about Cap power relays:

The extra 1% is on the faction versions, and worth 60M...

The reason the meta 4 is so cheap is that it is only used in a few setups. Logis, some amarr hulls on non active shield tanks. Maelstrom\Pest\Phoon can use them if you want a more stable cap behaviour, switching form short bursts to longer and smoother runtime, however this is mostly a sub optimal fitted slot, because you also lose boost amount to. They are nearly never used on caldari hulls, because you need all your lows for other stuff. With the TE and the drone damage amps they got a lot of competition for the slots and most people that use them for a good reason have the extra ISK for a 25% faction one.

T2 outside guns, tank, warp disruptor and some other outlines is nearly never better than meta 4, the advantage of T2 is the better supply and the lower price, at least on items that are in high demand.

All T2 isn't the best solution for ship fittings and back in the days, it even ended up with very bad fittings, because before CCP buffed so many hulls in pg and cpu, ship fitting was not just about figure out what mod you want but also decide on the meta level, given market price(up to 30M for a named DCU, before the T2 was seeded) and gains from the mod and lighter fitting stats.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-05-24 15:30:00 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Roime wrote:
Meta 4 items should be very marginally worse than T2, but easier to fit.

Which generally holds, with such cases like with SPR being rather exception than the rule.


There's too many of those exceptions to even list here, some meta 4 items are strictly better than T2 for their heat properties.

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All officer, best deadspace and good deal of faction mods already drop only in low/null so with all due respect, please go stuff yourself.


This is not a case of "nerf hisec", but the easiest logical step to heal T2 module industry by fixing the oversupply of meta 4 items.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2013-05-24 16:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#11 - 2013-05-24 19:04:47 UTC
Roime wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
Roime wrote:
Meta 4 items should be very marginally worse than T2, but easier to fit.

Which generally holds, with such cases like with SPR being rather exception than the rule.


There's too many of those exceptions to even list here, some meta 4 items are strictly better than T2 for their heat properties.

Okay, I've not run through whole item database to make statistics so I take your word on it. But even if that's so, the proper solution is precisely what you said in the very first sentence quoted above.

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All officer, best deadspace and good deal of faction mods already drop only in low/null so with all due respect, please go stuff yourself.


This is not a case of "nerf hisec", but the easiest logical step to heal T2 module industry by fixing the oversupply of meta 4 items.

If I jumped into conclusions too early and wrongly, my apologies. Anyway, I don't agree this is the proper fix. Easiest, yes, you are right, but not proper. Imagine if CCP took your idea of balancing to ships and only juggled production costs, so the more overpowered ship the more expensive to build. Would you like that?