EVE General Discussion

I've invested too much to quit. I wish I could ruin EvE for everyone, but it seems Odyssey will do well enough.
Eve brings nothing but regret to anyone who lost the chance to register earlier.

This is indeed a situation where SP can make less of an impact. But it's so unreal and impractical, which destroys the value of experiment completely.




Since you win with skillpoints, skillpoints are skill.

No, actually, at varying points in this thread you have made various claims.

Texas Sharpshooter

Or maybe

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Your claim was "Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping."

You then clarified to say "Oh, I meant 1v1, cos duelling is pro"


Then you claimed that given the same ship, a player with 100m SP would beat a specialized char with fewer SP.
"Numbers = more SP = win. Not an exception."
""You don't have that SP heap? Lol noob, automatic defeat forever."

Then you confused Skill in PvP with SP:
"Except piloting skills are skillpoints."
"Whoever has more SP wins.
Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser.

So either they're the same or very closely related."

Now you are claiming that the problem is that "better" ships require more SP.

So your current argument is "I should be able to get this seasons arena gear and skills at level 1"


finally:

"I said better ships are better, not bigger. And better ships take months to simply get into, not to mention do something in them."

I respectfully disagree. Sure, if you want to be in null, maybe you need some big huge scary ship that takes 6 months...but then, do you think it is unfair that a 1 day old player cannot fly in a L4 missionboat?

My PvP alts take 2-3 months to finish training usually, because for me, the "best" ship is the one I like flying...for a new char, those months taking training for a T2 frig/cruiser/whatever are time gained throwing cheap ships around.

As mentioned before, you are welcome to buy a high SP pvp pilot as a new player, hop into the ship, and see if your SP gets you very far against a player who has actually been shooting stuff, and losing ships and learning from their mistakes.

The bit you miss that takes the time is the experience gained when you make a mistake. THAT is the part you want to skip.

If we all had equal SP and equal ships, we would still not all be equal at PvP and this is what is bothering you.

And there is the actuality behind the attempted rhetoric. Based on this OP would have a very different view had they somehow not 'lost the chance to register earlier'.

Sometimes this emotional response is called envy. Historically speaking, it usually doesn't work out too well. Perhaps this thread will have provided something therapeutic or cathartic for the OP such that they do not have to live with the fairly well documented effects of contextualizing ones actions based on envy.

What can I do, envy aside, if I'll never have enough skillpoints to be "good"? Nothing.

This entire thread is everyone making statements of fact and OP saying "nuh uh". I feel like I'm watching the Eve version of the Argument Clinic sketch.

ITT: OP tries to invest SP into forum posting

I gifted him a 50 mil bounty - that way we know he will get some experience, perhaps some skills.

Bored now.

This is just a variation of your 1.5 month old post on griefing, only then it was flying a bestower which got violenced.

Personally I think it is unfair that I cannot fly an orca, because well.....Mining Director V...involves training some mining related stuff.
Also, I would like a nightmare, but I need more SP for it, this is not fair, because I could be wtfpwning stuff in L4s instead of doing L3 drake missions.

Finally, I would like Tycoon V, and standing 10 with both faction and corp for my market orders. This is clearly an advantage to people who like doing missions, as it takes time to get these standings, and I can never hope to get there, especially with my aversion to missions.

I suspect it is not skillpoints which are stopping you from being good

Anything you like. “Enough” skillpoints is something you've chosen to define and limit yourself by — it's not something the game does. In fact, the game does the exact opposite: it ensures that it is inevitable that you will get the SP you think you need.

…the problem is that by deciding the be defeated at every turn, you never manage to learn the player skills that will actually keep you alive.

Is it more than 1M? Then you can.