EVE General Discussion

Your brain is a mystery.

Duh..clearly Marlona had more SP!

You seem to come up with a lot of excuses as to why the situations provided here by other players are invalid to your lamenting of PvP.

I could bring up a particular instance in which I added T3 battelcruiser to my main's killboard, but I'm sure if you saw the e-mail you'd invalidate the whole thing because the Oracle was a PvE setup, am I right?

You are either trolling, or just don't belong in Eve. There is no "perfect" battle scenario in Eve. When you undock, you are accepting the possibility that you will die.
Said death is very often brought about not by the skill points of the pilot against you, but by the *number* of pilots you are against. It may not always be blob warfare like some claim, but often times it is 3v1, 4v1, or 5v1. 2v1 is lucky, 1v1 is a lottery moment, especially if your ships are even remotely close enough to get into that mythical issue of skill points being the determining factor.

tl:dr Eve will never fit your narrow view of "fair" PvP, because Eve is not fair.

yes, where are the badgers killing titans?

It is only real PvP when you win

Absolutely spot-on, IMHO.

Which means that in an odd way the OP is right - people who have been playing longer do have an advantage, of sorts. But he's wrong that it's in terms of SP. It's in terms of knowledge built up over years of playing, making mistakes, trying again - getting info from people you play with, experimenting, etc.

That cannot be had by a newbie. SP per "flying something well" is hard capped. A newbie can easily reach that cap for small ships. The newbie will never have the knowledge and experience - that's what corporations are for, so the knowledge and experience can be shared and learned.

But that's just how it should be in an MMO.

I get the feeling everything's been covered already but I'll weight in on this issue anyway because I feel strongly about the OP's possible stupidity and definite wrongness.

Let's start with an example:
You're in a buffer tanked, ab-fitted (relatively slow) frigate, when suddenly a fast kity frigate shows up and starts warp disrupting you! The fact is, even if you've got a 2003 character with an insane amount of SP, you're gonna die to the kiting frigate because you cannot hit him at all while he's orbiting you outside of your optimal range (and falloff). He can hit you just fine from there and kills you.
You're using a '03 character with several hundred million SP. He's using a 2011 character with maybe 20 million SP.
He completely destroys you because he's got the right tactics for the fight.



This is an easy one.
My main is an '09 character and I've done pretty decently. I'm in the top 1k on battleclinic and the people in my neighbourhood know me, if not personally, by reputation (no, I'm not bragging. I think I'm actually pretty **** at pvp)

SP has very little to do with one's success at PVP.
You just suck at it.

Exactly why the typical "sp = win" is a terrible mentality.

There are some valid points you could make about EVE PVP but more SP being the root of succes is just not one of them.

Winning by overwhelming numbers, perhaps. Having huge amounts of ISK, yeah maybe.

OP, before you get thrown out on your ears for being a massive troll, you should read this, this, and this.

In short: SP does not work the way you think it does.
You assume that it scales linearly. It doesn't.
You assume that all SP is always relevant. It isn't.
You assume that SP is all that determine stats. It isn't.

You also assume that there's a strict “bigger is better” progression in ships and equipment — there isn't. Welcome to a paper-scissors-rock game. If you keep getting beaten, try not choosing rock every time.

It's important to some people, most likely because they are in that frame of mind where they're always chasing the next big thing, and/or where the main draw for them is character progression. Both are often tied to SP.