EVE General Discussion

ITT: OP suffers the debilitating effects of Toxic Shock Syndrome. You got to change that thing out regular, OP.

Copy pasting my standard Skillpoint rant:

- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower level skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills.

- (*this is the important one*) Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time.
Ex1: You are a newbie facing someone with about 20 million SP... but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related? He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills.
Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level.

- Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4 (which takes a fraction of the amount of time it takes to get those skills to level 5), you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5.

- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (again, because it's faster).

- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.
Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor power every 24 second... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc.

- High tech equipment (ex. T2, Faction, Officer, etc) will not give a player "I WIN" abilities. It simply gives a player a linear edge at an exponentially higher cost.
Ex: A group of two or three T1-fit frigates that cost about 500 thousand to 1 million ISK CAN kill a faction frigate worth about 50 to 100 million ISK... provided they are using the right mods in the right configuration and know what they are doing.


tl;dr...

- skillpoints are not indicative of a pilot's ability. It just means that the pilot has more options in what he/she can do.

- Having more skillpoints is not the "end all, be all" point of the game and there is more to PvP than just "enter battle, F1- F9." With good player skills (not character skills) even a Velator can kill a Tornado. Skillpoints can't teach/give you this.
(NOTE: granted, the Velator was piloted by a veteran player... but the Tornado pilot wasn't a [complete] scrub either. The fact that THIS is possible means that a newbie with enough experience (player-wise... not SP-wise) can pull off something amazing (the guy pulled off the same thing against an Oracle later on)).

- once you have your "universal" core and support skills near or at maximum (which takes about 3 or 4 months of focused training) the gap between you and an older player begins to narrow quite significantly.

Troll thread, obvious attempt to incite flame-war.

Come on, OP, did you even try?

3/10.

OP, if it pisses you off so bad, uninstall EvE and go back to WoWland.

in the meantime.....just go away

thank you

Wow, just wow.

It seems like some players supposition is that SP doesn't mean that much. So false.

It is based on the false assumption that you are going against a bad. However two players of equal RL combat skill meet, one with 20 Mill combat SP and one with 1 Mill combat focused SP, who wins? Especially when those SP mean he has double the tank and four times the dps.

The training durations make EvE very unique for PvP games. Yes I can fully train into ONE ship and be at all 5's for all systems in tens to hundred's of days. While in other PvP games I can be proficient at ALL skills in tens of days, if that.

To the guy saying people don't train to 5 in skills, what are you smokin'? Some equipment or ships cannot be flown without 5's.

Like any game you can be successful in EvE right away. Unlike other games you have to rely on people being really, really bad to do so. Meanwhile there will be many good players with much more SP ready to hand you your ass while you spend years skilling up.

If the "more SP, Older Player" arguiment was true.

i would have a lot more losses. Don't be a moron.

-5/10

How did this idiotic post not get deleted for trolling?

SHUT UP AND JAM GAIDEN

The only engagement where combat-relevant SP is the chief determinant of the outcome is where you have a 1v1 in identically fit ships of the same type, without implants or boosters and using the exact same ammo. Oh, and both ships have to use the same ammo and may not move.

Since this sort of engagement doesn't happen, you're wrong

right, because battleships can kill frigates so easily, assuming the frigate is ebing piloted by somoene half-competent.


but your right, if your figthing someone who put the EFFORT and TIME into skilling all of the appropriate items to competently fly a ship, then yes, he will and SHOULD win, the fact being, if you prepare yourself with ships fitted appropriately for the targets you want to engage, you cna and usually WILL win.

that means if your in a frigate, and want to kill cruisers, you dont fit for "lawl DPS" you fit for speed, so you can outmaneuver there guns and :pop: there goes the ship fo someone with a few million SP more than you. of couse, if they planned on ebing attacked by frigates and fitted 2 webs or something, then that is a legitamate counter to your setup.


More SP, does not mean more power, it means you have a wider variety of scenarios you are capable of fitting a ship for, i could have MILLIONS of SP in ECM but only some in gunnery, but if i'm flying in a scenario without ECM, i may as well not even bother shooting back against someone who chose to put points into guns.

in toher words, EVE isnt about numbers and which is higher (barring blob warfare in null), its about the most complicated game of rock-paper-scissors-dynamite-hacksaw-master chief-ninja you have ever played.