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'Event Horizon Lounge'? What the heck CCP!?

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Naomi Hale
#1 - 2013-05-21 18:51:18 UTC
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-05-21 18:53:09 UTC
LOL you logged into Playstation Home.
Julius Priscus
#3 - 2013-05-21 18:53:51 UTC
tbh who cares???

its not a big deal.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2013-05-21 18:55:05 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5 - 2013-05-21 18:55:21 UTC
I'm not so much mad, just hurt.

Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6 - 2013-05-21 18:55:43 UTC
You actually use PS Home?
Just biomass yourself....oh wait

...

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2013-05-21 18:58:35 UTC
Ranting is bad. Dont do ranting..mmkay.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#8 - 2013-05-21 18:59:03 UTC
CCP simply can't touch Incarna for Eve for a few more years. The press and player backlash from that event really hurt CCP.

I agree though, a nice station lounge with a corp meeting room and perhaps some gaming tables would be quite nice for fostering social interaction and improving the new player experience without demanding too much development effort.

Incarna doesn't need active gameplay... tying in gameplay to incarna just hurts the core game. The original idea of Incarna being a social hub is just fine, the problem was just that Incarna existed as a single-player closet..

Because of the nature of the Carbon framework, we can expect to see a similar feature some time down the line, once the Incarna name is less toxic (or maybe they'll scrap the name "Incarna" and call it something else).
Naomi Hale
#9 - 2013-05-21 19:09:34 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



EVE is supposed to be a sci-fi simulator sandbox. If all you care about is blowing up internet spaceships to level up the idea that you are 'Elite' and better than the rest of the playerbase then go play 'Star Conflict' and leave others to aspire for more from their EVE experience.

Your EVE is not for me, but the EVE that CCP talks about year after year at fanfest is the EVE for me.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2013-05-21 19:10:30 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I'm not so much mad, just hurt.

I can tell, your mascara is running.
Naomi Hale
#11 - 2013-05-21 19:14:44 UTC
mechtech wrote:
CCP simply can't touch Incarna for Eve for a few more years. The press and player backlash from that event really hurt CCP.

I agree though, a nice station lounge with a corp meeting room and perhaps some gaming tables would be quite nice for fostering social interaction and improving the new player experience without demanding too much development effort.

Incarna doesn't need active gameplay... tying in gameplay to incarna just hurts the core game. The original idea of Incarna being a social hub is just fine, the problem was just that Incarna existed as a single-player closet..

Because of the nature of the Carbon framework, we can expect to see a similar feature some time down the line, once the Incarna name is less toxic (or maybe they'll scrap the name "Incarna" and call it something else).


Is Incarna toxic? I always had the impression it was monocle-gate that was the real complaint and that was geared more toward the 'real money for virtual goods' side of things. Would the players have reacted less outraged if it was £60 for a shiny addition to a ship over a monocle for an avatar?

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2013-05-21 19:27:47 UTC
I think what got people upset about monocles wasn't so much the $70 monocle as much as the $70 every things: the entire NeX was luxury items, with the cheapest items at 1100 Aurum being equivalent to $5. The LOTRO-store fans wanted to have sparkle ponies for fifty cents each, but got stuck with ugly boots for $5. Which was all a big laugh for me because CCP never said anything about "micro transactions" and everything about "luxury item store". Then there was "Captains Minmatar shoebox" instead of "Captains Quarters" much less "walking in stations".

But that's not the topic of this thread is it?

I, too, was amused by the Event Horizon bar: you had to log into Playstation Home and play Slay a few times in order to qualify for some alpha invites (of course it was only after I logged in, downloaded Playstation Home, played Slay and submitted my application that we were told that Australians weren't invited).

Why we can't have something like this in EVE as part of WiS content is for CCP to explain if they care to do so. I expect the answer will be a combination of burnt fingers, some Incarna devs have gone, other Incarna devs are working on other projects, and the focus on pew pew spaceships means there won't be any attention paid to Incarna for some time to come, more's the pity.

The World of Darkness demo from FanFest indicates that WoD development has come along quite a way. If the non-combat portions of the WoD demo were available as the entirety of WiS content, I'm sure there would be plenty of people actually using WiS instead of permanently staring at spaceships (the demo non-combat content being an alleyway, a cafe, a balcony). Yes, I'm one of those people who wants to have my character emote to other characters in shared spaces.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#13 - 2013-05-21 19:29:57 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



EVE is supposed to be a sci-fi simulator sandbox. If all you care about is blowing up internet spaceships to level up the idea that you are 'Elite' and better than the rest of the playerbase then go play 'Star Conflict' and leave others to aspire for more from their EVE experience.

Your EVE is not for me, but the EVE that CCP talks about year after year at fanfest is the EVE for me.


So you are mad because you are paying to play a nonexistent game CCP has only talked about and might never make..

Check.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Naomi Hale
#14 - 2013-05-21 19:38:43 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!



Go play Second Life then, EVE is not for you.



EVE is supposed to be a sci-fi simulator sandbox. If all you care about is blowing up internet spaceships to level up the idea that you are 'Elite' and better than the rest of the playerbase then go play 'Star Conflict' and leave others to aspire for more from their EVE experience.

Your EVE is not for me, but the EVE that CCP talks about year after year at fanfest is the EVE for me.


So you are mad because you are paying to play a nonexistent game CCP has only talked about and might never make..

Check.


I'm not talking about a nonexistant game, EVE does exist, this is about the content of that game and the content has been made, I'm mad because I'm paying to play a game and the money is going to provide PS3 users something for free that EVE Players were supposed to get.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#15 - 2013-05-21 19:52:37 UTC
Cause DUST is for PC gamers.

Nyan

Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-21 19:56:17 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
Please ignore the following nerd-rage if you already know of or have posted about the 'Event Horizon Lounge'

I just decided to take a quick look at Playstation Home and found something called the 'Event Horizon Lounge' and was surprised to see it's a Dust/Eve themed bar on a space station featuring scenic views, info screens (with live twitter feed) and the strategy table top game shown at fanfest for Incarna.

Did you guys make this? And if so why are PS3 users, who may not even play Eve or Dust, getting it when we still only have a captain's quarters? I'd like to sit in a bar and interact with other station guests, play the strategy game while waiting for corp mates and fleet members or waste my time getting drunk and trying to chat up the bartender. I imagine Dust players would also like that level of interaction.

I swear if this is something that ends up being part of that ten year vets only station club then you guys are in for a long and annoying nerd rant! (besides the mini rant above)

So to sum up... What The Hell?!?!


I have to agree with this, even if this is just a playstation home area. Most of the people in the evening EST are people who don't even play DUST or EVE.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#17 - 2013-05-21 20:03:39 UTC
If you think CCP is going to invest any more money than it's contractually obliged (Dust, Play station, Lounge) before Star Citizen is released your insane. CCP will of course keep the money train that is EVE on the rails to farm it till the last second but new game content such as walking in stations is nothing more than a pipe dream.

Eve is a cash cow on it's last legs, why do you think all these plex deals occur and now a total neglect to enforcing bans on botting? Zero investment is taking place and the policy is cash, cash, cash for the time being. Maybe Star Citizen will flop but CCP is not going to bet on that by investing in EVE before it's clear.
Naomi Hale
#18 - 2013-05-21 20:10:32 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Cause DUST is for PC gamers.


No, but then CCP never promised or demo'd EVE Players leaving their ships travelling down to planets for pitched firefight battles before Dust was released so I can't, fairly, be mad at them for that.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.

Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#19 - 2013-05-21 20:31:04 UTC
mechtech wrote:
CCP simply can't touch Incarna for Eve for a few more years.

I don't think this is true. They just got smart at some point. The EVE mentality wrecked their poorly laid plans, so they hired someone to create well-laid plans. They moved character/body/avatar design off the EVE books and into Dust and WoD. They moved simplification and focused future design (aka "easy-fication of EVE") into Dust planning, and they rebranded their efforts in EVE as "tiericide." It seems clear that since Incarna they've realized that nothing will EVER please EVE players, especially the old guard. So, they've opted for low visibility planning with periodic rollouts and the CSM is just an elected focus group. EVE players should probably get it through their heads that bodies and walking in stations are going to come to eve in the not too distant future.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#20 - 2013-05-21 20:37:07 UTC
The Event Horizon Lounge:

I seriously doubt it took vast quantities of time to get it working. Some modeling time (quite probably reusing art assets from Incarna and Dust), being plugged into the Playstation Home environment.

It's a massive difference from getting Incarna working at significantly higher fidelity, with the potential for many many more people (Playstation home is pretty limited in the number of people you'll get in the room), and connected to your eve client + TQ

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

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