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Concepts of Masculinity
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2013-05-21 15:51:11 UTC
You know what was "manly"? Mullets. They used to be all the rage on Intaki. Now nobody would be caught dead with one.

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Laria Raven
The Scope
#22 - 2013-05-21 16:26:55 UTC
I have made a close study of many forms of masculinity, and I have come to a number of very interesting conclusions.

M. Inhonores, with the eloquence that we have come to expect from him, does raise an interesting question. Is "masculinity" a concept that has any real meaning to capsuleers?

Many of the non-physical characteristics traditionally associated with it certainly still have meaning, though I'd argue that they need not be linked to the genetic fluke of gender. A firm hand, discipline, a sense of authority, all certainly still have a purpose.

Similarly, there are many aesthetic qualities that some people have - a certain size, a certain definition, a physical power and presence.

But the two aren't related. And while some of these may be outstanding and proud qualities, they aren't the only ones. There are many others of equal value.

Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#23 - 2013-05-21 19:02:01 UTC
Heinel Coventina wrote:
I'm the most fabulous person you'll ever see!



No, you're not, because I will never actually see you. Thank you, Makkal, for the filter.


As for masculinity, the hairy/large/muscular idea is very much not the concept of masculinity among my clan. Strength of will and a clever mind go a lot further for our men than having lots of hair or muscles, but we also don't see strength of will or a clever mind as in any way being the sole domain of the men. Of course, we're also matriarchal, so that could be a significant factor.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2013-05-21 19:29:39 UTC
So while in a ship, then one would have to presume their "manliness" to be through the ship - even for the women in that matter in which it does not matter so much.

(though I have heard many times that 'having a pair" is more of a mental state anyway)


This leads me to wonder then, that if I wanted to demonstrate my prowess in space, would ship should I use?

They all have guns sticking out from them, so that's covered.

I think the Brutix is one manly man's ship. Even the name says "brute". It's got a prominent "chin" too. Yes I think the ladies will shudder when I fly by in a Brutix.

There's much to be said for all those "vertical" ships - and nothing says it better than a Naglfar.


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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-05-21 19:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Physical aspect in capsuleer milieus is not so much the question here, but maybe more a matter of social behavior and mental insecurities, where male homosexuality or androgynous men are commonly associated with weakness and are somehow considered repulsive.

Many capsuleer axioms are sufficient proof of how deep this line of thought is ingrained, starting with the usual "you do not have balls", or "staying docked is gay". It is for so called transhuman being, and weirdly enough, closer to basic male primate behavior and chest thumping than what we commonly expect of baseliners themselves.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#26 - 2013-05-22 01:19:18 UTC
Emile Belfleur wrote:
Some of us Gallente do appreciate our beards. Of course, strictness and thoroughness in personal grooming is a universal virtue, and the beard is no exception to that rule. Maintaining a beard in its proper state can be a time-consuming task, so it is understandable that many choose to opt out of having one altogether. I am sure the same is true in most other cultures, too.

I have always known you to be a gentleman and a scholar and your opinion about beards confirms it.

As to Masculinity. I am a man because I was born a man. Its that simple.

As to all the rest, the old adage, “Kittens born in an oven ain't biscuits.”, comes to mind.

You may call them biscuits but they are not, they may think their biscuits but they are not, you can even take a bite out of one, but its going to taste like kitten.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-22 16:59:24 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Tangentially, this is key to the Gallentean mindset of "breaking the rules". Most of the time, individuals are not conscious of the philosophical implications of hedonism; the idea that you are rejecting the current norms as outdated is a form of progressive thinking in its own right.


I applaud your understanding of hedonism, as many are quick to espouse it as undisciplined and destructive; though no other philosophy enables the will to thrive quite like it. Gallenteans appreciate the value total freedom but very few understand, or accept, the responsibility that is attached to it. If you seek only freedom, you become a slave to your pleasures. If you seek discipline, you will find true liberty.

This is a little snippet of philosophy that I made a point to pass on to my students at the University of Caille. I'm happy to say that it has caught on in some circles, but alas, the Federation is large.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
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