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How annoying....

You know, you should attempt to do a forum search before posting. That way, you could perhaps modify your idea to have some new content. Maybe even address the reasons why people shoot down this idea.

Let me spell out a couple reasons why this won't fly... and for the love of God, do a ******* forum search before replying!

A.) It allows you to game the SP system: I train a year of perception/willpower skills... once a year redistribute those skillpoints to off-attribute skills, essentially allowing me to train at optimal pace, always. New players won't have this luxury, but older players certainly will!

B.) In order to prevent abuse, you need a skillpoint redistribution cap. Otherwise I can redistribute 5-10m sp, and instantly become a professional miner, or industrialist, or carrier pilot, or ... It doesn't take a lot of skillpoints before people can insta-train into a FOTM ship... and allowing people to instatrain into FOTM is generally a BAD THING.

C.) You already got the benefits from those skills, why should you get to redistribute them? You started off as a miner, and enjoyed it long enough to accrue 2.5m SP relevant to the profession. So you already used them, and benefited from them, regardless if you use them now. That's like spending money on a Macbook Pro, and then deciding you want an Android tablet after using it for 2-3 months. Why should you get to swap the Macbook for an entirely different thing?

D.) What do you mean, mistakes..... You didn't make any mistakes when training your skills. You certainly didn't make 2.5m SP worth of mistakes when training skills. Just because you changed your mind/profession doesn't mean you "made a mistake". Accept some responsibility for your choices! If you go to school for mesage therapy, then become a banker a couple years later, you don't "unlearn" your mesage therapy work. Having skills irrelevant to your current profession is part of your characters growing pains... accept it. You don't get to re-write your history because you've discovered a new direction.

E.) EvE has real consequences... If you lose your ship, it's gone. The SP system is the same thing: If you train some SP, they're applied. HTFU and deal with it.

TL; DR: NO...

You never made any mistakes, you simply changed your mind. You don't get to change your mind about a purchase you made, about a ship you lost, about a corp you join... Likewise, you don't get to change your mind about skillpoints.

Supported. +1

Ages toons of vets are worth isk. Self interest at work there, thus the walls of whine.

Uhg... based on your response:
--- Why don't care about other peoples point of view? Do you only want to change the game for your own benefit, regardless of balance?
--- A total reset of skillpoints would be insane.. WOW... can I keep some unassigned, in reserve, to use when I want them? I mean, 100m SP, and there are sooo many elusive ones I hardly utilize! In all seriousness, this is very, very imbalanced. The primary reason, is that new players that specialize typically become extremely competitive (if not better) to the "older player" that retains a general skillset. Your redistribution encourages people to specialize always...

And this is NOT like attribute redistribution. Attribute redistribution was enabled because pilots that initially chose their attributes poorly were stuck with that decision for the entire career. Furthermore, these attributes are chosen at the most immature moment of game play (at character creation). There is still consequences to training a skill, as it cannot be "untrained".

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But you are stuck with that macbook purchase. It happened, and you can resell it, or return it (often both at financial loss), you generally can't UNDO it. There are consequences for your decision (generally financial), even if you change your mind. Truthfully though, this analogy is much more akin to buy a ship in eve online. Training SP's is a long term decision, much more akin to taking a college class or trade-certificate course. You can't undo a class after you take it, and you certainly can't turn Physics 101 into Psychology 101 after the fact just because your changing your major.

Seriously, why should there be a method for players to redistributed their character points?

You admitted you already benefited from them... They weren't trained in error, they were trained to open up a type of game play you participated in and benefited from, even if you don't partake in that aspect now.

They don't prevent you from doing something new. You can always train into a new area of game play... If your tastes change, nothing prevents you from developing into the new area of game play.

They still provide you with a benefit. You can still do those "boring old tasks" should the urge arise.

Let's be frank. You want this enabled because your impatient. You've found a new area of game play, and since you have a bunch of old SP that you don't utilize very much, you're proposing a method to expedite your training. This is not, nor has it ever been, a game of insta-training characters. Characters go through a development cycle where it takes real time to skill into different careers. Just because your an older character with "extra SP" doesn't mean you get to skip the growing pains (that all new player experience) when exploring a new are of game play.

p.s. You might have better luck if you suggested some reasonable consequence. Like, you lose 25% of your skillpoints when you redistribute them. This would be appropriate, as it hurts new players the least, and has steep enough consequences that people won't abuse the system.

Your splitting hairs...

If I train Caldari Frig V instead of Minmatar Frig V, then in 2 weeks I'll be able to fly a Harpy instead of a Jaguar... What I can fly today is a result of my decisions yesterday, and we can't undo those choices (hence there are consequences for skill choices). At the same time, I can train Minnie Frig V so in 2 weeks I can also train the jag, making the consequences primarily relevant to the here and now.

This is also why SP redistribution is completely unnecessary. If you spent the last year making a perfect industry toon, you can still turn it into a pro-pvp toon by taking the next year and focusing on PvP skills. It takes someone really impatient to expect CCP to return those SP so they can instantly become a pro-pvp toon. And pro tip, you don't need super All-V skillsets to be viable and competent in this game, especially in regards to ship combat!

There is already a solution to this. Self-destruct an alpha clone over & over until you've lost the desired skills.

No, for one very good reason: Eve is a game that allows you train skills afk. That is the benefit of the skill training system we have. All you need to do is invest time. There is a very good character market within Eve that can get you a character with the skill set you are looking for. I have skill points on this character that are invested into cynos something that I am currently not using. By your logic I should be able to trade those skills for something that I do need currently. But the thing is, I invested time to train them. They were useful. Now that I don't need them, I'm training for something else entirely. However I made that choice.

Eve is all about choice and the consequences they bring. If you cannot handle the consequences of an action, then Eve probably isn't the right sort of game for you.

The first reply you got on the subject - albeit it being a tad too aggressive - had a lot of good points. It would be really nice if CCP introduced a novel way to be more flexible with SP's (and for the record, I can't think of one off the top of my head) but a full SP remap is way too much.

If there was something I might even remotely consider, it would maybe allow a remap of some skills of equal cost and level - say swap 2 skills that are both Rank 4 and both are in the same category - ie, they have already the same Stat requirements - for example you had Sentry Drone Interfacing V and Heavy Drone Operation III, to end up with SDI III and HDO V. and even for that I'd have a penalty like stopping training for a small period while clone gets "reprogrammed" at a station.

... I'm not saying that one is a "good" idea, just saying that it ought to be something not done or allowed easily, the main reason for that is the entire population would immediately try and ind a way to exploit it.

I agree with Mag and Tip

No, Eve is a game of facing the consequences of decisions you make.

m

The consequence of poorly chosen skill queues is having sp you don't really want.

The nice thing is that, unlike other mmos, you are not bound to a character type. You want different skills? Train them now!

m

Nicely put. Unlike other mmos that do have max SP cap, Eve SP choices have no lasting consequence.