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How can I take my exploration to the next level?

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Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-20 18:32:29 UTC
I've recently moved my exploration from hi to low. I decided to try a FW area thinking that players there would have each other to mess with and won't bother or have time to come looking for my ship in signatures. This has turned out to be less successful than I had hoped - while I've had some decent success, I've now been caught three times, losing 2 Dominix and a Vexor.

I'd like to continue to do exploration, but I'm finding the losses here annoying. What can I do differently to enjoy exploration with less risk of loss?

Some questions / ideas;

1) I could do low level sleeper sites solo in a Dominix - retreat to hi to look for wormholes that would allow this? Never seen another player in a wormhole site before and have done half a dozen… would there be less chance of running into other players there?

2) I know it's unrealistic to think that I can avoid people in low completely. So, I'd be happy to get advice on how to escape an encounter or fight back. Fight back seems like not an option - they find me when I'm no shields, half armor, fighting 10 NPCs, and half cap. Is run my only option? Can I do anything other than fit 2 warp cores and hope there's just one aggressor?

3) How do other people manage low exploration? Do you just do little sites (esp. no combat) so that you aren't in one place very long?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-20 18:38:06 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
I decided to try a FW area thinking that players there would have each other to mess with and won't bother or have time to come looking for my ship in signatures.

lol

Half of the people in FW zones are just looking to **** with the FW guys.

Fa Xian wrote:
1) I could do low level sleeper sites solo in a Dominix - retreat to hi to look for wormholes that would allow this? Never seen another player in a wormhole site before and have done half a dozen… would there be less chance of running into other players there?

I personally wouldn't day-trip high-sec statics but I've had success with low-sec statics. I'd also avoid using the BS and go with something like a Drake or T3.

Fa Xian wrote:
2) I know it's unrealistic to think that I can avoid people in low completely. So, I'd be happy to get advice on how to escape an encounter or fight back. Fight back seems like not an option - they find me when I'm no shields, half armor, fighting 10 NPCs, and half cap. Is run my only option? Can I do anything other than fit 2 warp cores and hope there's just one aggressor?

MWD + cloak. Learn it, love it.

Fa Xian wrote:
3) How do other people manage low exploration? Do you just do little sites (esp. no combat) so that you aren't in one place very long?

Spam d-scan, watch local, fit a cloak. I used to run non-combats in an Arbitrator, never had any real problems. Keep an eye out for probes, but also watch out for pre-run sites, some people come back to them in combat ships.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2013-05-20 18:43:18 UTC
You can't cloak if you're locked.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-20 18:47:45 UTC
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MWD + cloak. Learn it, love it.


Hmm... I use a covops frig for exploration, but I've never used a non-covops cloak. I thought the thing you are talking about is what people use to escape gate camps? I don't get caught in gate camps - only one time and it didn't really bother me; I don't feel bad about losing it when there are 15+ people on you. Cost of doing business really.

But MWD isn't going to get me clear of a site in my limited experience. You get scrambled. It's been a solo Tengu or at most a couple of little ships that show up to rout me. I have no real warning and no real time before locked and dead in the water. I can usually survive for a while - if I could warp out, I think I'd make it. That's what makes me think stabilizers - but depressing how much they gank your targeting range.

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Spam d-scan, watch local, fit a cloak. I used to run non-combats in an Arbitrator, never had any real problems. Keep an eye out for probes, but also watch out for pre-run sites, some people come back to them in combat ships.


I admit I'm probably fail piloting because I don't use the directional. Can you recommend a good instructional video on it perhaps? That might be the thing I'm missing... still feel like I'm gonna get taken a lot if I can't run. And it sounds really annoying to have to click a button every few seconds.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2013-05-20 18:48:25 UTC
For hi sec exploration of wormholes, you want a battlecruiser. BSes cannot fit into a c1 wormhole.

Drakes use to be the best at hi sec wormholes, but that may have changed after the bc tiericide.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-20 18:50:21 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Half of the people in FW zones are just looking to **** with the FW guys.


Yeah, they hair on the back of my neck prickles when there are 3 or 4 people in the area on the same faction doing nothing - that's boredom that's looking for trouble. When there's 15+ people and chatter, it seems likely they're busy with each other - but then they get done and decide "Hey, who's this dumbass in local who wasn't in the fight?" ... and I get found.

But someone must be doing lowsec exploration. Or does no one do this stuff in this area?
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-20 18:51:25 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
You can't cloak if you're locked.


Yeah, I don't think a cloak is going to work for anything but keeping you safe while scanning. I already use a covops for that.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-20 18:54:17 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
For hi sec exploration of wormholes, you want a battlecruiser.


I've done some Myrmidon business there... but sleepers are fairly tough and I never sank a lot of points in to BC. I suppose that's an option though; skill up BC to max and use those. It's a cheaper loss than a BS.

I'm not against losing things, just need to pitch the rate I lose them to slightly lower than the rate I make money to replace them.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-20 18:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Fa Xian wrote:
I admit I'm probably fail piloting because I don't use the directional. Can you recommend a good instructional video on it perhaps? That might be the thing I'm missing... still feel like I'm gonna get taken a lot if I can't run. And it sounds really annoying to have to click a button every few seconds.

It doesn't take much, just set the range to max and mash the button every so often when someone's in local. When you arrive, hit the button once and familiarize yourself with what's there so you don't freak out over someone's Reaper at a POS. Do a Google search, there are plenty of guides out there to get more utility from it; it's a very simple control.

E: Also, the camera tracking functionality that was recently released is gold for d-scan usage.

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iSupremacy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-20 18:57:50 UTC
I'm using a Pilgrim all in one exploration fit when i explore in lowsec.. Just watch your D-scan and local and you should be fine
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#11 - 2013-05-20 18:58:19 UTC
Some Rando wrote:

Spam d-scan, watch local, fit a cloak. I used to run non-combats in an Arbitrator, never had any real problems. Keep an eye out for probes, but also watch out for pre-run sites, some people come back to them in combat ships.


This is your best advice, right here. I live in low, and explore in low. Always watch d-scan. Always. Spam it like you were in a WH when Old Man Local tells you someone else is in system. Keep it set to a sane distance of 1-2million kms. Anything shows, you start aligning out to a safe/station, and be ready to spam warp if someone pops up on grid.

I'd also make the recommendation that you move to low if you want to explore here. Being a stranger and making daytrips is what gets you caught, more often than not. If you live in a system and explore the neighboring ones, you will quickly build a network of safes and tacticals that will help you immensely; you'll be able to do some scouting and exploring in disposable frigates, and save your mission runner for when it's time to hit the sites. You'll never be totally safe from people who want to gank/pirate you (especially not in FW space, we get bored like anyone else) but some of us are less interested in spending the effort hunting you down on a lark if we recognize you and see you as mostly harmless. You'll also learn to recognize who everyone else is. Which ones you can depend on to try and gank you, who your fellow explorers are, who the ninja miners are, etc.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-05-20 19:00:28 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
For hi sec exploration of wormholes, you want a battlecruiser. BSes cannot fit into a c1 wormhole.

Drakes use to be the best at hi sec wormholes, but that may have changed after the bc tiericide.


Drake is still just fine for getting started. I solo c1 and c2 sites with one, and run small groups in c3s, and have no issues at all.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-20 19:01:01 UTC
Use a Zephyr to explore. Sweet little ship -- people will waste tonnes of time chasing you if you fly it properly. Pirate

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-20 19:01:35 UTC
the problem with the dominix is the mass. you won't be able to get it through certain wh and definitely not access C1 w-space systems. BC max. drake is a very popular choice as it has a great shield tank though i guess you could use a myrmidon instead if you want armour tanking and drones.

also always assume you're being watched by cloakies in an anomaly. they don't need to scan you down with probes so you have zero intel. I prescan signatures also so you can't rely on d-scan at all. the wormhole pirate is meticulous and patient.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-20 19:06:36 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
1) I could do low level sleeper sites solo in a Dominix - retreat to hi to look for wormholes that would allow this? Never seen another player in a wormhole site before and have done half a dozen… would there be less chance of running into other players there?
Use a Myrmidon. It'll fit into class 1 w-systems and is more agile. You probably shouldn't run sleeper sites alone, but if you do you at least want to be quick on your feet.

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Moth Eisig
#16 - 2013-05-20 19:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Moth Eisig
Set dscan to max range, check the use overview settings box, and have your overview set show probes. Spam dscan and get out if you see probes, especially if they're combat probes. Also keep an eye on local and get as much info as you can from the other pilots' bios and histories. With some experience patrolling the same systems regularly, you get an idea of what pilots/groups to watch out for, and how long you can wait before getting out when you see probes on dscan or if you don't really have to leave the site at all.

The eve university wiki has really good info on using dscan.

edit: I'm speaking in regards to low sec space. WH space is different entirely because of resident behavior (like pre-scanning sites)
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-20 19:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Fa Xian wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
You can't cloak if you're locked.

Yeah, I don't think a cloak is going to work for anything but keeping you safe while scanning. I already use a covops for that.

Regarding this, most of the advice already given here is to keep you from getting caught in the first place; that's what the MWD and cloak are for.

In an exploration ship, if you get caught you're usually dead. If you're flying a drone ship carry a flight of ECM drones. When/if you get caught, pop the drones, set them on your assailant, align, and watch the status icons for a chance to warp out. At the very least, you'll be primed to warp your pod.

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Oshi Ryn
Pulse Heavy Industries
#18 - 2013-05-20 19:24:49 UTC
fly a cloaky tengu... keep an eye on your d-scan.

a BS is way too cumbersome for this type of work
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-05-20 19:33:10 UTC
Oshi Ryn wrote:
a BS is way too cumbersome for this type of work


Yeah, I'm spending too much time in sites in a big, easy to find, slow ship. I tried a Vexor instead but got caught again anyway - probably could have got away there though with directional.

Problem is, I can't do lowsec combat sites solo in a little cruiser. It was modestly challenging with a Dominix... and I'm unhappy giving up on those sites. They have fun times and nice loots. But it takes a long time to solo those lowsec combat sites with 4 rooms. That's lots of time to get found and caught.

Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-20 19:34:59 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
You probably shouldn't run sleeper sites alone...


Well, I wish I had people to hang with and help out, but that's just not in the cards it seems.
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