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rouge drones again plus some extra @some spoliers@

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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#1 - 2013-05-20 10:40:22 UTC
re doing this as my last thread was locked due to no activity,


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2216906#post2216906

so as I have re read the 2 eve books for about the 4th time now,

it dawned on me that as it mentions by gurious in templer one novel that the architects were tasked to build a jump gate for the original jove colony, but there ships were only half full of fuel when they arrived, and at the time there warp engines were very poor compared to todays tech and ran on a isogen based fuel ( isogen-5 maybe ) that was tightly controlled by the mega corporations at the time,

this made me think back to rouge drones as we all know that the isogen-5 was the culprit of making the wh present today but originally were they designed to collect the product for fuel ?, or originally it was that but them they were re tasked to collect it by the "OTHER" for his sinister plan to get the holocaust of sleeper implants for his immortal army?

the other was born within virtual reality which went against the laws with which the construct was designed for, as it is a just a person made up of data and not flesh it could travel anywhere within reality or even virtual, and a sit mentions that there was more than 1 of these being born could one of them possibly be "the broker" as he has many faces and his brain is a computer that uploads him self to a clone when needed and because his brain is basically running from 1 computer he could possibly use more than 1 clone at the same time as it also been mentioned?,

due to the fact that he has probably been doing that for hundreds if not thousands of years maybe that's why his clones are no longer lasting, if you think about it what happens to a copy of say a letter and you copy it in a copying machine over and over and over again the last one will not be as clear as the first original and after many years of doing this the bio or dna of his clones are now corrupt ( this made me think of when gurious mentions that the templer clones are inferior and would not last more than 5 years most ).


could the original drones that are used to obtain the isogen-5 maybe ran from bio type brains controlled by people within a virtual world a bit like the sleepers as the sleepers today are much more advanced than the drones which leads me to believe that the rouge drones today are old school tech that was once mediocre or on par with the tech the jove were using originally when eve collapsed and the sleeper civilisation has progressed further than these but keeping with the same idea? only problem is that the rouge drones have no end game as such because the people they were working for no longer exist and are stuck in a loop? the only thing that makes that idea corrupt is the fact SoCT were able to reprogram the rouge drones to let the blood raiders passed to collect the battle ship sarum used and also have it refuelled, and as there history is or was close to jove maybe there is still some hidden agenda within this cult even maybe to say that the caretakers of jove cant remember how to spell it >< enhu.... could stil be lurking within this cult.

maybe the gallante found the AI from rouge drones and tryd to manipulate it into there own drones a bit like how amarr tried to do to sleeper implants and faild in the same way?


what are your thoughts on this

Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
#2 - 2013-05-20 14:47:08 UTC
I think the Broker can operate many clones at the same time. I can't remember if it is explicitly stated. Reading about him and how he behaves I interpreted it as an amusing OOC reference to the way we players play multiple accounts simultaneously. Maybe?

The rogue drones are a nation unto themselves, they've settled their own space and do their own thing, they sometimes work with humans as we see in some of the missions in-game still but I'm not sure if they're being 'reprogrammed' as such or more reasoned / negotiated with.

The Sleeper drones we see are the guardians of those in stasis who are living out their lives in virtual reality but those in the virtual reality have no idea what's happening on the outside. Until the Amarr come along and gut their brains for parts (which ends in the original brains owner resurfacing and freaking out as we see in Templar One). Are the sleeper drones autonomous or do they have a consciousness inside them? I always thought it was the former.

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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#3 - 2013-05-22 07:59:02 UTC
yes I have always thought the same about the broker having similar to a multiple account user :), but I also thought back to the sansha with that one as he uses a main storage housing for controlling slaves except all the brokers slaves have no other conscious there all his own, I find the brokers story really interesting but also frustrating as there is not much said about him or that I have found apart from the book, but he is well known through out all of eve as gallante amarr mimy mordus concord have had contact with him but I have found no story to lead of in what context and also who else has,

the rouge drones originally I thought about the gallante experiment's that went rouge maybe they were using some form of brain matter coupled with a complex drone AI system or maybe just a very complex Drone AI system all together with more relaxed protocols, the first though I originally had was when I read the chronicle postnatal, if they were using a basic brain pattern coupled with a drone AI system, maybe the drone that was trying to rebirth its self was just going on basic instincts coupled with AI learning? the basic motor functions also the raw primeval instincts of humankind is survival feed drink and mate and give birth, maybe the drone was using the human side of its brain or AI system to try to fix its self as from what I gather from it all humanoids that it killed were female?

still talking about rouge drones, I think that there is a lot more than meets the eye with these drones and I think there are different levels to them and as you have said nations also, we all know gallante are famous for there drones and also the drone failures, but also that ishukone has also been meddling in drones maybe not ishukone itself but there ex CEO who was actively helping the two scientists who got captured and killed by the ammarians by accident or on purpose that is another story? but it does say in the chronicle that they were developing advanced drone AI and that he had stolen/walked away with a lot of bpos and information,
nothing is said about it apart from in templer one where he has made a self sufficient outpost controlled and also guarded by drones of a very advanced AI system, maybe same type as rouge drones we see today or even the same type that started the chain reaction through out new eden?

the sleepers Im on the same page with you I believe they have a consciousness inside of them, and yes the sleepers or the architects do not know what is going on outside of there world im even having a guess that maybe the caretakers have actively moved the whole colony out to wh space to save them from the others? maybe as there directive is to protect the architects and also help them in and out of virtual worlds, maybe it got the point that the captains of all the constructs had to make a decision that it was in there best interests to not bring them out of virtual reality as the world they are living is nothing close to the utopia they are living present? and could cause depression or even the jovian disease???