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Sun Tzu: an almost necessity!
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Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-19 19:37:46 UTC
Having read many comments on warfare on the forums made me realy wonder: "how many of the pilots did actually REALY take an effort to study the both tactical and strategical riches offered by the writings of Sun Tzu", since real knowledge of the Arts of War would of course for most represent an enormous benefit during their strivings to get to be succesful to some extend in space warfare (high/low/nul sec)

So, I am curious to learn if there are any other pilots that possess a real understanding and knowledge of the Sun Tzu!??
stoicfaux
#2 - 2013-05-19 19:44:39 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
Having read many comments on warfare on the forums made me realy wonder: "how many of the pilots did actually REALY take an effort to study the both tactical and strategical riches offered by the writings of Sun Tzu", since real knowledge of the Arts of War would of course for most represent an enormous benefit during their strivings to get to be succesful to some extend in space warfare (high/low/nul sec)

So, I am curious to learn if there are any other pilots that possess a real understanding and knowledge of the Sun Tzu!??

And what would Sun Tzu say about the strategic and tactical value of spending one's time playing war in an internet game about imaginary spaceships?


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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#3 - 2013-05-19 19:51:31 UTC
Nope never read it, never will either. I'm sure some people so.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-19 19:54:09 UTC
If you find your leaders quoting sun tzu and clausewitz and/or referencing their rl military experience, you're in a scrub organization doomed for mediocrity at best.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-19 19:55:39 UTC
No, but at times I channel General Patton
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-19 20:15:40 UTC
You'll get way more out of this game, and real life, by reading Das Kaptial
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-19 20:16:01 UTC
Sun Tzu, otherwise known as babys first manual on tactics and strategy. He wrote it for aristocrats and bureaucrats, basicaly idiots who thought going out for war and glory/increasing the TAX base was peachy keen.

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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-05-19 20:19:47 UTC
Think for yourself. Learn from experience.
Shao Huang
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-19 20:22:32 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:

And what would Sun Tzu say about the strategic and tactical value of spending one's time playing war in an internet game about imaginary spaceships?

While perhaps not the best pursuit in terms cultivation, it would be considered far superior to actually shooting people as a first course of action. If it served this purpose in any way, it would be considered of strategic value.

On the other hand, if it cultivated violent response as the first reflex and course of action within the general population, it would be considered a strategic disadvantage.

Sun Tzu and such is mostly useless in the moment for an operational leader (strategic or tactical) who has not really internalized it (or like works). Having an ally or counselor who actually has internalized it, as opposed to a hyped academic acquisition, can be quite useful to the operational leader as it provides perspective, historical and otherwise, outside the immediate boundaries of the conflict. Typically I would not make that person the leader, with rare exceptions. It should not directly be the basis of operational decisions and quoting such things at best has dramatic value for a narrative.

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Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-19 20:23:13 UTC
He was very risk averse.

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Choc talar
Blazing Capsules
Brave Collective
#11 - 2013-05-19 20:29:37 UTC
I have read him, as well as many others. I am a military historian, and a retired soldier with multiple tours to Iraq under my belt. But this is a game and most of my experience and or education don't help me at accomplishing much in Eve. Now if I was really shooting people in the face (again) then these things would be applicable.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-05-19 20:42:41 UTC
Gank all the scrubs - Sun Tzu
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-19 20:45:19 UTC
Don't eat the yellow snow

- Napoleon during the retreat from Moscow

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-19 20:48:49 UTC
The Sun Tzu thing is so old. Next people will be saying they've read Sun Tzu to give themselves an advantage in barbies dream world online.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-19 20:49:53 UTC
"Get there first with the most." - Nathan Bedford Forrest

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-19 21:18:00 UTC
"Get 'em boyz! Dakka dakka dakka! WAAAGH! THE ORKS! WAAAGH!" -Rotgob, Ork strategist
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#17 - 2013-05-19 21:19:56 UTC
Knowledge of SunTzu ends where blob starts.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-19 21:27:19 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Knowledge of SunTzu ends where blob starts.


Uhhh...you should reread your Sun Tzu then, bitter forum alt # 2390786

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Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-19 21:30:38 UTC
real understanding ? doubt it .
But i did read it

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#20 - 2013-05-19 21:32:15 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Knowledge of SunTzu ends where blob starts.


Uhhh...you should reread your Sun Tzu then, bitter forum alt # 2390786


Or i am just intoxicated.

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