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PIE: Resurgence and Peace
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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-05-23 01:56:54 UTC
I don't know, I profit greatly from Ammarian slavery.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#62 - 2013-05-23 02:13:29 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Slavery isn't some "advantage." It's a weight around your own necks.


This is the purpose of it. Slavery is a responsibility, to educate and uplift the blind and lost. It is not an advantage, it is a duty.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#63 - 2013-05-23 02:20:07 UTC
Something can be an advantage and a responsibility.

For example, being a semi-immortal who can fly a ship with their mind.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#64 - 2013-05-23 03:27:57 UTC
I don't know why people think PIE aren't peaceful.

I was all ready to go and fight for the Amarr and they did their very best to talk me out of it. Truly a corporation dedicated to peace and love all across the galaxy.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#65 - 2013-05-23 06:08:38 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:
Slavery isn't some "advantage." It's a weight around your own necks.


This is the purpose of it. Slavery is a responsibility, to educate and uplift the blind and lost. It is not an advantage, it is a duty.



That you truly believe this is a sad, sad thing, Samira. In some ways I hope you never realize the horror of what you have come to believe. I suspect the weight of it would break you. Perhaps it has already and that's why you embrace such a delusion so thoroughly.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#66 - 2013-05-23 20:04:04 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
My point is simply that your drivels about race traitors, aside from being completely inaccurate, is ethically obnoxious. Being a traitor to a pug nose, slit eyes, white skin or dark skin sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

I completely agree, Captain Farel.

The concept of "racial loyalty" (and by extension, the potential for "race treason") is equally odious as the idea of "racial supremacy", and in fact, the former belongs to the exact same sphere of ideas as the latter. Racially-charged (or even racially-conscious) value systems represent the absolute sludge of ideological thought.

How many people charged with "race treason" ever actually declared loyalty to their biological ancestors to begin with? I would guess not many. They are declared "traitors" because their actions and their beliefs are considered to be at odds with the genes they were born with. Essentially, they are considered to carry a debt to their progenitors from the day they are born.

Any ideology that rails against slavery while simultaneously holding people accountable to a debt for the simple, unasked-for privilege of being born looks like hypocrisy to me.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2013-05-24 18:57:03 UTC
Maybe people, by using race, were actually referring to ethnies and cultures. In that case, even if I still have difficulties to grasp the concept, it can at least present itself in a better light.

Cipher7 wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:


Lyn Farel wrote:

Slaves are also free to make their own decisions. It might of course be bad for their health.


or yours.


What does my health has to do with that ? Is that a threat of some kind ?


Slaves rebel, incidents happen, people die.

Unnecessary friction.

Wasteful, impractical.

When you have a flawed system, you don't need to do anything, it implodes on its own.

Slavery isn't some "advantage." It's a weight around your own necks.


Not especially arguing against or for it, but again, what does it have to do with my health ?
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-05-24 19:01:18 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Maybe people, by using race, were actually referring to ethnies and cultures. In that case, even if I still have difficulties to grasp the concept, it can at least present itself in a better light.

Cipher7 wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:


Lyn Farel wrote:

Slaves are also free to make their own decisions. It might of course be bad for their health.


or yours.


What does my health has to do with that ? Is that a threat of some kind ?


Slaves rebel, incidents happen, people die.

Unnecessary friction.

Wasteful, impractical.

When you have a flawed system, you don't need to do anything, it implodes on its own.

Slavery isn't some "advantage." It's a weight around your own necks.


Not especially arguing against or for it, but again, what does it have to do with my health ?


See bold
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#69 - 2013-05-24 19:02:01 UTC
I am guessing that he believes you're a slave owner and that owning slaves is dangerous because they might rebel and attempt to hurt you.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2013-05-24 19:36:11 UTC
Oh ?

Sorry to disappoint.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#71 - 2013-05-25 01:16:17 UTC
Cipher's quite excellent at jumping to conclusions and making arguments based on them.

His only issue is many of those early conclusions are infact quite wrong, his lack of research and knowledge shows up his poor arguments.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2013-05-27 22:57:59 UTC
A whole lot of people talking about anything but the topic at hand.

We know who is against slavery, we know who thinks they are just in attacking vessels on a holy mission, or any that oppose their way of thinking.

If you aren't interested in talking about this peaceful event, held to commemorate a significant achievement (10 years is significant), then everything you have spoken here, is pointless.

To the faithful, continue on your holy mission. Commander Mirra, lovely sentiment, you are an inspiration.

Fly safe and with God,

Commander Ascentior

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.