Wormholes

Hello,

Need some advice from you smart people in the wormhole community. Our corp is currently in the process of moving into a C4>C4 wormhole. At the moment be live in a C2>C3 and find the sites a piece of ****. I have done some research on C4 sleepers and am a little concerned about the ranges the sleepers spawn at.

We currently run various ships that can shoot and hit well at 70 ish Km, we dont really have to move much in a C3 (not move at all). Will this sort of strategy work in a c4 or will we have to change our ways and move around chasing sleeper? or are there better ways?

Thanks in advance for your insight.

SB

While these spawn ranges are accurate, no wave will orbit further than 96km from you. Cruise Ravens and Dominix's with Sentries should eat the sites up with relative ease, especially with the buff coming to Cruises next patch.

For C4's you'll want to use exclusively long-range damage application (drones can easily take care of all frigates). After the Heavy Missile Nerf Tengus aren't quite as good, but with a little moving they can still handle it fine.

Svo.

Not entirely true. It's much more secluded and you get local sites that you can do maybe once or twice a week. That being said, you're still relying heavily on your static for PVE.

Svo.

I can't tell for the others, but for Frontier Barracks you arrive at 70km from the initial wave, then, at least for our group, the second wave appears at around 50km from the first, and the third around 150km from the second.

Thanks for the heads up guys!

I guess my next question would be..... What ranges do most of the sleepers orbit you at? Someone mentioned some orbit at 94Km. So many do this? Which sites?

Thanks very much guys. Much love

@Britta: better yet, use a Zephyr for that job. That way you won't ever be like this: when your covops gets decloaked on something in the site then promptly shredded by the Sleepers. (It's cheaper than a properly fit covops, too!)

@Derath: yes. C2s with C1/C3/C4 statics always have their other static to HS. C2s with C2 statics always have a static LS, while C2s with C5/C6 statics always have their other exit leading to NS. Also: I have seen a C4 (Radar, IIRC) spawn get dumped in a different grid from our PvE fleet, which left us scratching our heads and wondering where all the Sleepers ran off to until we moved closer and, thus, got on grid with them.

Most C4 sleepers that stay at long range (like the ones that rr), most of them orbit you around starting at 92 to 95 k and very slowly come closer.

My recommendation for the distance you need to be able to hit them at is atleast 90k for the long range ones.

1) Don't use moons as warp points. Saves you more caused by hostile towers.
2) We actually don't use the Zephyr-makes-a-warpin trick any more (we used that when we ran with RR Tengus, but we've since switched to a longer-ranged fleetcomp that doesn't need a warpin any longer).

People say alot about ranges and I'll try a little about damage application.

I tested 1400mm art with Republic Fleet Emp L and worked great, but Beam Laser weapons do better.
Nightmare owns there, because you start shooting from 150Km, do great damage at 90-100Km, do massive damage until cruisers orbiting at 15Km.
Cruise missile will be good after Odyssey.
Torpedos can apply tremendous damage, but just until 72Km, so we tested with MWD, but you will spend to much time traveling 20-30Km.
I didn't test 425mm rails.

A shield Navy Domi works well at those ranges with Bouncers, 2 Drone Link Augmentors, 2 Omni Tracking Links and 3 DDAs. Add 4x 425mm Rails and a Mag Stab and you'll do 800dps at 86km with 30km falloff (Faction Iridium), or 1000 dps with Gardes and Guri Antimatter. It's a great frigate/cruiser killer aswell in opposition to the closest competitor, which is a cruise missile fitted caldari BS (Raven/Scorp navies). Tried some Beam Laser fits (especially the Nightmare with Tachs), but I couldn't get it to that level of DPS, even if I included the medium drones. The tracking is twice as high, but with Navy Standard the DPS hovers around 600 turret DPS. Standard being the best ammo for 100km since X-Ray is in deep falloff at 100km, even with 2 Tracking Computers. The best laser platform I found was an Apoc with Pulse and scorch ammo. Great DPS and great tracking, but the range 80 + 16, which is abit to short. Minnie with artillery is even worse.
Atleast I found that combining bouncers and rails was the best DPS at that range, which is to my biggest disappointment since I hate having drones as a primary weapon system.