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Prawns or Shrimp?

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-19 13:04:08 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You know its funny now that I think about it, but I've never have actually eaten crawdad. I catch them all the time but usually just a couple to throw in the horse trough.


They need lots of spices in the crawfish boil. Add some potatoes, onions, and corn on the cob and you'll slap yer mama it's so good! You really need to have some!
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-05-19 13:07:02 UTC
I call them both delicious. Lol

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-05-19 13:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
look. all i want to know....is if prawns and shrimp are the same species. if tin-yam chan didn't settle the dispute earlier perhaps some other crustacean expert will step forward.


Think of it like this: Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds are both dogs, but they're not the same type of dog. They're different "races". Same with prawns and shrimp. Prawns are a little bigger than shrimp, their physical attributes are different, but they're still very similar. That said, they're not the same animal. A prawn is not a shrimp no more than a Lab is a German Shepherd and a tiger is a lion.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#44 - 2013-05-19 15:26:06 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
look. all i want to know....is if prawns and shrimp are the same species. if tin-yam chan didn't settle the dispute earlier perhaps some other crustacean expert will step forward.


Think of it like this: Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds are both dogs, but they're not the same type of dog. They're different "races". Same with prawns and shrimp. Prawns are a little bigger than shrimp, their physical attributes are different, but they're still very similar. That said, they're not the same animal. A prawn is not a shrimp no more than a Lab is a German Shepherd and a tiger is a lion.


Yet they are all delicious when consumed from the barbecue.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-05-19 15:33:01 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Astenion wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
look. all i want to know....is if prawns and shrimp are the same species. if tin-yam chan didn't settle the dispute earlier perhaps some other crustacean expert will step forward.


Think of it like this: Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds are both dogs, but they're not the same type of dog. They're different "races". Same with prawns and shrimp. Prawns are a little bigger than shrimp, their physical attributes are different, but they're still very similar. That said, they're not the same animal. A prawn is not a shrimp no more than a Lab is a German Shepherd and a tiger is a lion.


Yet they are all delicious when consumed from the barbecue.


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Hrothgar Nilsson
#46 - 2013-05-19 21:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Astenion wrote:
Balderdash. Pizza isn't an Italian food? Are you serious? When food originates from a place, it does become that place's food. I don't care how popular it is elsewhere, it's still the original country's food. Maybe that offends your sensibilities and crushes your opinion of yourself, but that doesn't change the fact that it's true. I guess sushi isn't Japanese, then, since tons of Americans eat it?

It doesn't mean it's inauthentic if it's made anywhere else, as I've already said numerous times. In fact, one year the Japanese won the international pizza competition with the best pizza in the world. The Turks were the first to cook flat bread on a rock and put food on it, which the Italians took and made pizza out of. I'm not discussing the anthropology of pizza, but pizza as it is today is an Italian dish. The only exception is if we're talking about utter garbage pizza like Pizza Hut, Domino's, Papa John's, Little Caeser's, etc. That's sh*t, not pizza...utter sh*t.

Go ahead and call your average American-made ham San Daniele or Parma prosciutto and see what happens. Lawsuits.

When I go to the states, I don't ask for a salamino pizza....I ask for pepperoni. I get that it's not going to change. I'm just saying people should be aware of the difference, at the very least when they come here.

With regards to American pizzas, there are creations that are original and distinct from anything served in Italy, which would include most American pizzas.

Where, if it were to be served in Italy it would be sold as an American pizza, like a deep dish or stuffed pizza.

I don't know anybody who would sit down and tuck into a deep dish pizza at a Chicago pizzeria to consider themselves being treated to Italian cuisine. They're eating Chicago food, not Italian food.

Pizza isn't exactly something that "crushes my opinion of myself". I'm pretty sure nobody's staking their ego or sense of selves on a random food being discussed in some off-topic forum.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-19 23:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
You're right, American creations like deep dish pizza and stuffed pizza are original and distinct from anything served in Italy...because they're awful.

First of all, it wouldn't be sold in Italy because no one would eat it. It's like eating a pound of grease in a bread bowl filled with enough tomato "sauce" to make soup, topped with some shredded plastic concoction that somehow passes FDA approval and is considered mozzarella cheese, on a layer of D-grade meat and vegetables. Then they inject the "pasta" crust with more fake plastic cheese that tastes like greasy cardboard. This is not American pizza. This is awful, artery-clogging, gag-inducing "food" that's not worthy of consumption.

Don't insult Chicago pizza by throwing it in with the rest of what people call deep dish pizza...it's not. Chicago pizza is more like a cross between focaccia and pizza...or pizza grossa, which, by the way, existed in Italy well before anyone in Chicago thought of it. Who do you think brought it to Chicago? It didn't just magically appear one day.

Have you ever even been to Italy? Do you even know how many different types of pizza there are here? This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio
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#48 - 2013-05-19 23:13:07 UTC
TIL that Alice Saki likes the penaeus. I'm so getting slapped around in LAGL for that comment.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#49 - 2013-05-20 02:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Astenion wrote:
You're right, American creations like deep dish pizza and stuffed pizza are original and distinct from anything served in Italy...because they're awful.

First of all, it wouldn't be sold in Italy because no one would eat it. It's like eating a pound of grease in a bread bowl filled with enough tomato "sauce" to make soup, topped with some shredded plastic concoction that somehow passes FDA approval and is considered mozzarella cheese, on a layer of D-grade meat and vegetables. Then they inject the "pasta" crust with more fake plastic cheese that tastes like greasy cardboard. This is not American pizza. This is awful, artery-clogging, gag-inducing "food" that's not worthy of consumption.

Don't insult Chicago pizza by throwing it in with the rest of what people call deep dish pizza...it's not. Chicago pizza is more like a cross between focaccia and pizza...or pizza grossa, which, by the way, existed in Italy well before anyone in Chicago thought of it. Who do you think brought it to Chicago? It didn't just magically appear one day.

Have you ever even been to Italy? Do you even know how many different types of pizza there are here? This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio

And come to think of it, I guess that Jucy Lucy I got in Minneapolis last week is German food. Who brought burgers to Minneapolis? German sailors from Hamburg, that's who!

And Coney Island hot dogs are Viennese/Austrian cuisine! Who brought wieners to New York? Austrian sailors from Wien, that's who!

Sorry dude, you're insufferable.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#50 - 2013-05-20 02:25:07 UTC
minneapolis has a fine sushi restaurant.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#51 - 2013-05-20 05:48:18 UTC
Astenion wrote:
This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio



LOL at the second comment! This place reminded me of Pizza Hut in the US! Must be a great place if they're comparable with the second worst pizza joint ever.

All this talk of pizza made got me in the mood for it tonight so I made 2 tonight. For the first I used deer burger, mushrooms, and onions with some spices. And the second was ham (not Canadian Bacon), olives, and pineapple over some New Mexico salsa I had laying around.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-20 11:17:58 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Astenion wrote:
This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio



LOL at the second comment! This place reminded me of Pizza Hut in the US! Must be a great place if they're comparable with the second worst pizza joint ever.

All this talk of pizza made got me in the mood for it tonight so I made 2 tonight. For the first I used deer burger, mushrooms, and onions with some spices. And the second was ham (not Canadian Bacon), olives, and pineapple over some New Mexico salsa I had laying around.


Trust me, that place is nothing like Pizza Hut. One idiot comment out of like 500 and that just negates all the others, right? And whaddya know, he was American. He's either an idiot or just trolling. That just reinforces my point, MD.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-20 11:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Astenion wrote:
You're right, American creations like deep dish pizza and stuffed pizza are original and distinct from anything served in Italy...because they're awful.

First of all, it wouldn't be sold in Italy because no one would eat it. It's like eating a pound of grease in a bread bowl filled with enough tomato "sauce" to make soup, topped with some shredded plastic concoction that somehow passes FDA approval and is considered mozzarella cheese, on a layer of D-grade meat and vegetables. Then they inject the "pasta" crust with more fake plastic cheese that tastes like greasy cardboard. This is not American pizza. This is awful, artery-clogging, gag-inducing "food" that's not worthy of consumption.

Don't insult Chicago pizza by throwing it in with the rest of what people call deep dish pizza...it's not. Chicago pizza is more like a cross between focaccia and pizza...or pizza grossa, which, by the way, existed in Italy well before anyone in Chicago thought of it. Who do you think brought it to Chicago? It didn't just magically appear one day.

Have you ever even been to Italy? Do you even know how many different types of pizza there are here? This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio

And come to think of it, I guess that Jucy Lucy I got in Minneapolis last week is German food. Who brought burgers to Minneapolis? German sailors from Hamburg, that's who!

And Coney Island hot dogs are Viennese/Austrian cuisine! Who brought wieners to New York? Austrian sailors from Wien, that's who!

Sorry dude, you're insufferable.


I am insufferable. I'm insufferable because I take food seriously. If more Americans were insufferable about the food they ate, then maybe it wouldn't be the fattest, unhealthiest country on the planet. After I got out of the military, I decided to not go back because of it. It wasn't the government or the job market or anything like that, it was the people. So go ahead and keep calling pizza American food, I give up. You might as well if you consider a lot of the garbage from the states that passes for pizza. Now that you mention it, maybe it should be considered completely different, and while we're at it, it should probably adopt a new name so as to not ruin the name of pizza. It's a shame that you don't know any better because there are many fine pizzerias in the states that make fantastic, real pizza, but you'll be too busy working on your next heart attack by eating at the terrible ones. I will concede that they're not Italian dishes because they're not worthy of the association.

There's something here that's basically stuffed pizza, only it's a bajillion times better and is where your stuffed pizza came from. It's called schiacciata. It's two entire pizzas facing each other like a sandwich, crust on top and bottom, and in the middle there's all the ingredients with added sliced, fresh pomodorini (cherry tomatoes) and other vegetables, along with all the other ingredients from the pizza. It's what you would call stuffed pizza, only with real, fresh ingredients and real mozzarella cheese. Mozzarella cheese comes in a ball about the size of a baseball and is submerged in water and kept there. As a rule of thumb, don't eat anywhere that uses shredded mozzarella...it's the equivalent of using Spam and calling it a T-bone steak.

Funny story. So I'm eating a hamburger at a local place here and I'm friendly with the owner. There's an Australian guy who's friends with him and we strike up a conversation as I'm paying for my meal at the counter. He asks me, "Why do we call it a hamburger? There's no ham in it." I then proceed to tell him that it's not a ham-burger, but a hamburg-er, as in from Hamburg, Germany. The look on his face was priceless, as if to say, "Can you please delete what I just said from your memory? Now I feel like an idiot." Lol
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#54 - 2013-05-20 13:39:56 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Astenion wrote:
This is a place that's about 10 miles from my house that specializes in what you'd call "deep dish" pizza, only it doesn't suck: Vecchio



LOL at the second comment! This place reminded me of Pizza Hut in the US! Must be a great place if they're comparable with the second worst pizza joint ever.

All this talk of pizza made got me in the mood for it tonight so I made 2 tonight. For the first I used deer burger, mushrooms, and onions with some spices. And the second was ham (not Canadian Bacon), olives, and pineapple over some New Mexico salsa I had laying around.


Trust me, that place is nothing like Pizza Hut. One idiot comment out of like 500 and that just negates all the others, right? And whaddya know, he was American. He's either an idiot or just trolling. That just reinforces my point, MD.


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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-05-20 15:15:08 UTC
*Sigh*
Gary Goat
XDC-UK
#56 - 2013-05-20 15:21:56 UTC
Its all prawns in the UK. We don't use the term shrimp at all (unless we're taking the mick out of the aussies Twisted)

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#57 - 2013-05-20 15:33:13 UTC
Also you can deny it all you want, but the rating is still there and will remain there for all to see. This pizza connoisseur traveled to Italy to try out some of their restaurants, and when he tasted that pizza he used his vast pizza knowledge and he said,'this pizza tastes like Pizza Hut!'. He could have gone with a family owned joint or one of the name brands that uses higher quality goods but he chose Pizza Hut.

I guess that's understandable considering what happens when you try to order pepperoni from the one place in the world that turns it into a vegetable. Big smile

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-05-20 15:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
LOL @ "pizza connoisseur". I can go to the greatest pizzeria in the states and say it tastes like Pizza Hut as well, that doesn't mean it's true. Even Gordon Ramsay's restaurants have people saying stupid crap in their reviews. That just means that the person is an idiot, especially when there's overwhelming evidence that contradicts what he or she is saying. The funniest part is, he was talking about how the crust is thicker instead of the typical thin-crust Italian style, yet that just flew right over your head. He didn't say it tastes like Pizza Hut, genius. Can you read? Seriously? I'm not joking, because every time you reply to something, you read half of it and make up the rest. Can you comprehend the English language? I just shot holes in your entire argument using the very same review. Wow. Just wow. Thanks?

Italy "turns it into a vegetable" because it IS a vegetable whose name came from Italy. Just because there are literally millions of people who can't understand the difference doesn't mean they're right. This is why I find so hilarious your feeble attempts at debating. Hrothgar actually brought up some interesting points and sorta brought me over to his way of thinking: it's so completely different that it's pretty much American now. That said, it shouldn't be called pizza because it's not, it's more like American Shepherd's Pie with tomatoes and cheese, and has nothing whatsoever to do with pizza. I'll give him that, I just think it needs to change the name. But you're like a cartoon. I can't even debate you because I can't debate ignorant and nonsensical, bordering on stupid...it's just an exercise in futility.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#59 - 2013-05-20 16:12:07 UTC
Just because you disagree with a review doesn't mean that they are unintelligent. Reviews are simply matters of opinion and your opinion is different than his. And I believe his exact words were 'But it reminded me sooo much of pizza hut back in the US'. Apparently this pizza he ate is reminiscent of his experiences with those that he had at Pizza Hut. Personally, I think that Pizza hut sucks, but that is merely my opinion. Given the review I would probably think that place sucks too.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-05-20 22:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
MD, you break my mind. And you STILL failed to read the entire thing. "Thick crust, lots of cheese" was the rest of that sentence. Also, you're leaving out the title: "IT WAS GREAT!" Use some deductive reasoning here, knothead. He's just some kid who got stationed here who's never been out of the US and never tried pizza anywhere else. He's comparing it to Pizza Hut because it's all he knows. He didn't say anything bad about it, just that it reminded him of Pizza Hut. Were it a bad thing in his opinion, he probably wouldn't have given it 4/5 stars. And just like me, while admitting it's good, it's not one of his favorites. Come on, you're killing me. The guy's probably not unintelligent, just ignorant.

Hrothgar obviously understood why I posted that link, but did you? I didn't post it saying it's the best pizzeria around; I posted it to show that Italy has all different types of pizza, not to say "look at how awesome this pizzeria is". That pizzeria, while good, isn't even in my top 10 favorites around here. It was just to show that there is a variety here as in the states.

You know, there are people who also think Star Wars sucks, too...and they're idiots. I understand that one bad review travels faster than 10 good, and I never said Vecchio's made the best pizza...it's not even one of my favorites. But to write it off entirely due to one review IN WHICH HE ACTUALLY LIKED IT is stupid.

But now you be trollin'. There's no way in hell you could be that thick unless you were a 14-year-old kid with ADD. I apologize in advance if anything I said offends you, but you just break my mind sometimes. It's like I want to take you under my wing and open your eyes so the people around you won't strangle you for being so narrow-minded and hard-headed. I'm doing it more for them than you.