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Invulnerable to war

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StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#1 - 2013-05-16 18:40:31 UTC
Cheers,

I post this here because i shall do that within a petition process.

we encounter something i knew yet only from hearing.

We wardeced an alliance. Some people left that alliance and formed corp1.
We also decleared war on corp1.
They just created corp2.

(we stopped wardeccing them at this point, but this probably can be extended to...)

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They just created corp(n+1).

So they are 100% invulnerable to wardecs. And as far as i got EvE none should be invulnerable to anything.
Change that please. Or at least think about it. It´s nonesense.


A quick solution (yeah, herpderp but meh: no ranting without a how-to-do-better):

If someone leaves a corp which is at war he should carry the war with him.
He can't join a new corp till he is a viable wartarget (he stays a wartarget as long as the war on the corp lasts (but max. 7 days). Only way to get rid of the wartarget-mark is to join an npc corp. If he leaves the npc-corp within the 7 days the mark is refreshed.
This also should apply to alliance-levels (then the mark is corp-wide).

Still: We take that as a win.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Somali%20Pirates%20are%20Retards


Flame on!
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2013-05-16 18:43:34 UTC
I'm not going to tell you to biomass yourself for not searching before posting the exact same idea that's been posted before, but you might want to biomass yourself for not searching before posting the exact same idea that's been posted before.

Generally speaking, everyone/almost everyone in Features & Ideas agrees that wardecs shouldn't be so easy to avoid.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#3 - 2013-05-16 18:47:15 UTC
biomass, definitely.
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#4 - 2013-05-16 18:47:18 UTC
Get over it.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-05-16 18:53:28 UTC
Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.

Then uninstall the game too.

In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2013-05-16 19:01:23 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.

Then uninstall the game too.

In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before.


This post made me think of AFK Cloaking threads.
Onomerous
Negative-Impact
Sedition.
#7 - 2013-05-16 19:10:13 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Yes, biomass yourself for not using the search feature.

Then uninstall the game too.

In fact, it should be mandatory for people posting something that has been posted countless times before.


This post made me think of AFK Cloaking threads.


shush lest more of them show up to make new threads...
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#8 - 2013-05-16 19:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
This sounds to be stupid loophole in wardeck system and should fixed. If you can so easily avoid wardeck.wardeck really lose its purpose. Also I believe that the suggestion of the original poster was reasonable.

+1 bump.
Removed offensive content. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-05-16 19:34:45 UTC
Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#10 - 2013-05-16 19:45:39 UTC
A real warrior does not seek out defenseless cowards.

Thanks for admitting that you are just as pathetic as your prey.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Pan Dora
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-16 19:51:55 UTC
StoneCold wrote:
... as far as i got EvE none should be invulnerable to anything.


NERF STATIONS!!!!

NERF LOGOUT!!!!

ADD PLAYER PERMADEATH



-CCP would boost ECM so it also block the ability of buthurt posting.

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-05-16 20:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.


There is a lot of truth in the above.

War deccing a small industrial/research/manufacturing corp is just damn pathetic. You have players that are mostly specialized in things like mining, manufacturing, and research (isn't that shocking). Maybe some skills for hauling. They might have some skills for missions that have some overlap with PvP, but since they don't PvP they have less understanding of how to PvP well.

Basically, it is like the 8th graders picking the 3rd graders.

It isn't always like this, but more often than not it is. So, is it reasonable to expect these players to fight. No, in fact it is ****ing stupid. So the decced players have found a solution. And those initiating the dec come here and whine about fights that by and large they wouldn't have gotten anyways...or the occassional fight they do get is with some poor schmuck who didn't see the war dec notice in his corp mail and undocked in his min-maxed mission boat.

Here is a suggestion to the corp initiating the war dec: HTFU and STFU.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-16 20:20:38 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.


There is a lot of truth in the above.

War deccing a small industrial/research/manufacturing corp is just damn pathetic. You have players that are mostly specialized in things like mining, manufacturing, and research (isn't that shocking). Maybe some skills for hauling. They might have some skills for missions that have some overlap with PvP, but since they don't PvP they have less understanding of how to PvP well.

Basically, it is like the 8th graders picking the 3rd graders.

It isn't always like this, but more often than not it is. So, is it reasonable to expect these players to fight. No, in fact it is ****ing stupid. So the decced players have found a solution. And those initiating the dec come here and whine about fights that by and large they wouldn't have gotten anyways...or the occassional fight they do get is with some poor ******* who didn't see the war dec notice in his corp mail and undocked in his min-maxed mission boat.

Here is a suggestion to the corp initiating the war dec: HTFU and STFU.


Seen this happen on a very regular basis. Combat corps picking out some indy targets to have a shooting fish in a barrel funtime. And the worse display of their lack of gut is they don't even follow me into lowsec. I often explore and run sites in low (way more isk) but never seen any WTs there. Totally camp station, but won't follow us into low. pft.

These people are just so f****** obsessed with forcing people to fight them, even on the most unmatched and uneven of terms. They won't be happy till even logout causes you to undock and sit in space, or CCP sends a task force to your house to make sure you log on and undock for them to shoot you.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-05-16 20:56:26 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Seen this happen on a very regular basis. Combat corps picking out some indy targets to have a shooting fish in a barrel funtime. And the worse display of their lack of gut is they don't even follow me into lowsec. I often explore and run sites in low (way more isk) but never seen any WTs there. Totally camp station, but won't follow us into low. pft.

These people are just so f****** obsessed with forcing people to fight them, even on the most unmatched and uneven of terms. They won't be happy till even logout causes you to undock and sit in space, or CCP sends a task force to your house to make sure you log on and undock for them to shoot you.


Reminds me of my time in a wormhole alliance. Some of the miners needed low end minerals to build some ships so they were high sec mining, and some nutless corp war-decced us. We offered to straight up fight them somewhere, they declined. We would show up in system and chase them into station, even when we were outnumbered. They weren't looking for fights and PvP, they were looking for the weak targets to pad their killboard.

Which pretty much shows half of the problem with the war dec system anyway. War decs are used when a much stronger PvP corp wants to beat up a weaker corp. They're not used when two strong corps/alliance want to go at it, as that action is in wormholes or null sec where a war dec isn't necessary.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-05-16 21:03:38 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Stop attacking small fry corps and declare war on corps who have something to fight for.



But what happens when those corps just do exactly the same thing?
Zen Dijun
Xoth Inc
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#16 - 2013-05-16 21:10:27 UTC
The WarDec system should just be abandoned. I mean who starts a fight with a notice (here we come!!!)? You should just pay Concord to look the other way and have at IT!!!!

-- Zen
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#17 - 2013-05-16 21:15:07 UTC
There is so much fail in some replies.

The corp was picked because it had over 150 people. Also they finished 5 wars (also vs. well known entities) without a single kill or loss.

All those HTFU go to lowsec. been there, done that. You ofc wouldnt kill a hulk mining in a 0.3 because its a to soft target for you, AM I RIGHT?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#18 - 2013-05-16 21:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
I've learned over my time in eve that only the weak and foolish play by the rules, so in regards to the op's original point when you wardec someone and they leave their alliance and form corp (n+1) and thus become immune to wardec's you could simply gank their transporters, gank their mining barges, gank their shuttlecraft, gank any weak ship...

Yes you lose a lot of cheap disposable ships, but you completely wreck their supply lines and remove their sense of satisfaction or feeling of safety. You can create an alt and try to spy/infiltrate them or use the same alt to set up bogus courier contracts that you know they cant resist (assuming they are into hauling stuff) and blitz their transporters, or simply scan them down when they are missioning and brazenly salvage their loot. You'd be amazed how that gets under people's skin. Find ways to take away the fruits of their labours without using war decs.

Now the question you got to ask yourself is 'do you hate them enough to operate outside the rules'.

Eve is like that, you can always win on your own terms.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#19 - 2013-05-16 21:26:03 UTC
Ofc that´s a workaround, but doesnt solve the (i dont want say problem) thing about people getting immune to wardecs.

At one point (if my mind doesnt trick me; couple years ago) it was ruled an exploit.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-05-16 21:32:00 UTC
StoneCold wrote:
There is so much fail in some replies.

The corp was picked because it had over 150 people. Also they finished 5 wars (also vs. well known entities) without a single kill or loss.

All those HTFU go to lowsec. been there, done that. You ofc wouldnt kill a hulk mining in a 0.3 because its a to soft target for you, AM I RIGHT?


So let me get this straight, genius.

You and your buddies find a corp with 150 people in it. You then look at their KB and war dec record and notice:

1. 5 Wars recently.
2. Nary a kill or loss in sight.
3. Dec them.
4. Whine because you don't get a fight.

What an awesome story. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

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