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why do the manufactured ships cost the same as the materials?
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Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#41 - 2013-05-19 05:44:13 UTC
Economics. If you really don't understand it, you're probably not going to pick it up on these forums.


Better answer. You aren't living alone in a vacuum in EVE. There are thousands of other pilots comping with you. The number of variable contributing to the market value of ships, ore, etc.... is huge. On lower end stuff, as I assume you're looking at, it's even worse because just about anyone can jump into the market with very little SP.
Merdaneth
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Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-05-19 09:20:24 UTC
Dracnys wrote:
What do I mean by opportunity cost?
The producer has to spend time to buy minerals, move them to his factory, make a few hundred clicks, move the finished ships back to market and play the 0.01 ISK game to sell them. He could do something else with that time. He also needs to invest capital into the blueprint and the minerals.


But, in EVE, opportunity cost of manufacturing can be negative, as people like to manufacture and sell stuff for fun.

Same thing with piracy in EVE. Pirates usually operate at a loss, but since piracy is a leisure activity people are willing to pay to pirate.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#43 - 2013-05-19 13:35:12 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Dracnys wrote:
What do I mean by opportunity cost?
The producer has to spend time to buy minerals, move them to his factory, make a few hundred clicks, move the finished ships back to market and play the 0.01 ISK game to sell them. He could do something else with that time. He also needs to invest capital into the blueprint and the minerals.


But, in EVE, opportunity cost of manufacturing can be negative, as people like to manufacture and sell stuff for fun.

Same thing with piracy in EVE. Pirates usually operate at a loss, but since piracy is a leisure activity people are willing to pay to pirate.


It doesn't matter if you enjoy it, opportunity cost still applies. By choosing to do one thing, you are choosing not to do any one of the infinite other things you could have done with that given amount of time/resources. And if all you're worried about is fun, rather than profit, wtf did you start this thread for? A whine about the game not giving you piles of isk for doing what ever you feel like doing at any given time?
Adunh Slavy
#44 - 2013-05-19 15:52:25 UTC
Do not forget the other opportunity costs involved here. They paid $15 for their month of game time to do whatever they want. They could have spent the $15 on going to a movie and making zero space bucks in Eve. They could choose to not play Eve; work an extra hour at their RL job and then buy a PLEX and make 500 million ISK. or spend that hour mining, shipping and building for 5 million ISK.

To ignore all the aspects of opportunity cost involved, in the activity of making ships on Eve, is to miss the point entirely. The MIMAF crowd may be annoying, but if they have fun, then that is what matters to them.

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Loki Feiht
Warcrows
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#45 - 2013-05-20 09:22:12 UTC
Mostly I would assume its becuase of miners tendencies of 'if I mine it its free'

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#46 - 2013-05-20 17:55:09 UTC
Skydell wrote:
............Nobody manufactures from Jita..............

Is that why all the manufacturing slots in Jita are booked up for weeks?

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#47 - 2013-05-20 23:17:09 UTC
Because right now Lowsec industrialists have complete and utter price advantage, mineral availability advantage over highsec industrialists.

the prices will continue to push south
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