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The Achura in the State

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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#1 - 2013-05-16 14:43:28 UTC
I keep wondering with so much Caldari politics being dominated by Raata supremacy and such how the Achura feel -- they are important to the State, but have their own homeworld and no historical stake in Caldari Prime.

We only hear from Deteis and Civire in the Caldari and Gallente mainstream media and it is like Achura are invisible.

Would any pilots of Achura ancestry or experience with the culture and diaspora of Saisio care to share their opinions or experiences? What is the relationship of Achura to the State and to the current political landscape?
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2013-05-16 14:48:04 UTC
...Hm. This is a bit of a tricky subject.

I'm going to wait and see what atmosphere and response this thread generates before offering my personal thoughts, if that's alright.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-16 15:23:41 UTC
I actually agree, we don't see and hear enough of the Achura on our public media.

But I don't think there's a particular agenda involved. I know it's futile to generalize an entire ethnic group, but Achuran citizens do tend to be quieter and more reserved as a rule. So it could well be that the shortage of Achuran voices in our discussions are just due to a lack of people stepping up to the plate.

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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#4 - 2013-05-16 15:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinzel Nikulainen
I can only offer my own experience. Not sure what it's value is.

My mother was a Kaalakiota worker. She was only half Achuran but she showed it strong.

What I was told, occasionally she was subject to racial tensions from her co-workers, but these incidents were investigated into very seriously.

She grew up in an Achuran district, with only other Achuran families. This made my grandfather an outlier in that respect as a Civire man. I'm not sure how that effected him. I haven't spoke much about it with him.

Overall, I feel the attitude towards Achurans in the State is healthy. I observe some of the Achuran traditions in my routine (and I personally feel that these enrich my lifestyle) and it feels as if many businesses in the State are taking steps to do the same, or at the very least accommodate the Achurans in a way that is inoffensive so that our relationship can profit. SuVee and it's subsidiaries come to mind; it's with them that I feel that Achuran integration into Caldari culture is represented at it's best.

Corporate audit data recognizes me as Civire, which is similarly reflected in my pilot license papers. Some find my ethnicity a little difficult to place at a glance, however (my father is half Khanid). In the State, I've been singled out because of this only twice. But that was little more than hot-tempered words from colleagues passed up on when it came to promotions. This was before the meritocratic reforms.

Hmm, it ain't too often a subject comes up that loosens up my tongue for this long.

I'd be interested in hearing from fully ethnic Achurans.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-16 15:46:41 UTC
I can't speak to this as an Achuran, obviously. However, my impression has been that the Achura are an insular culture, who do not desire over-much contact with others unless they initiate it. It would be wrong of us to violate that.

That said, Suvee is well-known for employing a large amount of Achurans, and Achuran practices spread throughout the State now and then, as illustrated by an article regarding the strange stars that appeared a year or three back.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2013-05-16 16:30:20 UTC
If I may, we similarly hear little of the Jin-Mei in the Federation, and Intaki politics in the Federation are at times sensitive. By contrast, the Empire is monolithic, and the Republic fractious enough that we hear many points of view frequently. This is the nature of the thing. Each nation's politics differ, and the role of ethnicity within each nation differs as well.

My mother was Achuran, but I was raised on a CalNav station, perhaps with less exposure to the traditions than might be ideal. My support of the State -- and specifically the policies of Ishukone Corporation and others in the bloc -- stems from an appreciation of a Caldari ideal: birthright, rightness-of-place. Caldari Prime is an abstraction to me. That I desire it through peace and reconciliation seems fitting.

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#7 - 2013-05-16 16:32:40 UTC
Well think about this: News, like any other media, is a product, and sensational stories sell better. Right now the most sensational stuff is linked to the ongoing conflict between the children of Luminaire. The Achura don't have much of a stake in what happens with Caldari Prime or the Luminaire system given that they have their own homeworld, so as a whole so they tend to get pushed to the periphery.

By a similar token we seem to hear more about ethnic Gallente more so than other members of the Federation.
Lysander Fairewell
Fluffy Butt Fleet
#8 - 2013-05-16 19:17:08 UTC
I graduated from the Capsuleer Selection Program into the State War Academy, class of YC114-2nd Quarter. There were only 12 of us; 6 Civre, 6 Deitis and 2 Achura. The Achura in our class were solid and dependable. They had a high aptitude and picked up on material at an exceptional rate. But they were not as patriotic as the other classmates, and their studies bordered on the esoteric. I myself have never been a very spiritual man and found it hard to relate to my Achura classmates.

We have not heard from the Achura because the Achura are not as invested in the war.

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Heinel Coventina
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-16 19:26:45 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
If I may, we similarly hear little of the Jin-Mei in the Federation, and Intaki politics in the Federation are at times sensitive. By contrast, the Empire is monolithic, and the Republic fractious enough that we hear many points of view frequently. This is the nature of the thing. Each nation's politics differ, and the role of ethnicity within each nation differs as well.


About the Jin-Mei, there just doesn't seem to be much information about them at all. I get that most of them are probably more interested in sticking to their routines and duties, so they're probably not very interesting.. But if anyone who knows any of those exotic peoples can bring them out, maybe we can learn more about them, and about our world, too.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#10 - 2013-05-16 19:49:11 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
By contrast, the Empire is monolithic...

The Empire is just as diverse as the rest of the cluster.

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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#11 - 2013-05-16 20:02:38 UTC
The greatest aspect of Caldari culture to this particular Achuran man is the idea of the individual working for the good of all. Each man and each woman contributes his or her strengths, education, temperament, skills, and passion for the whole good of society. This is what makes anyone a good citizen. A good Caldari Citizen asks, "How do others benefit from my contribution? Is the Whole made better through my life? I do not claim to represent all Achurans in my views, far from it. However, I believe that the good Caldari citizen will have a good impact on the State and outside the State. If I am a good Caldari man, I should positively impact even those outside who are not Caldari. Perhaps Achurans can see this because they are...mmm... different.

I try hard to be a good citizen as a pacifist. This puts me in the minority, but it is what I bring to the table. As an Achuran, I see the mysteries of this universe in faces of all peoples. If I then seek their betterment, I help unlock those mysteries to better understand them.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-17 00:46:01 UTC
Having been born into and serving Sukuuvestaa prior to my recent transfer to Kaalakiota, I have come to appreciate many aspects of Achur culture and perspective. Indeed, Achuran women can be particularly pleasant company whom can offer numerous opportunities for finding mutual understandings and despite the prevalent stereotype for Achur to be introverted, my own experiences in private have shown me they can possess an innate curiosity more than open to new experiences, innovation and experimentation. It is that talent for understanding and perspective, I believe, that has lead the Achur far not only within SuVee but elsewhere in the State. I have certainly come to respect the opinions of an Achuran aide-de-campe when conducting a negotiation.

The Achur of today are a well-integrated people whose relationship with the State and Caldari is premised upon mutual tolerance, respect, and understanding that begun when the first Sukuuvestaa exploratory vessel entered the Saisio system and has continued ever since. The Caldari State and its companies offer the Achur people the benefits of employment and corporate citizenship where service, duty and loyalty to The Company and The State is rewarded with prosperity.

In fact, I believe the established framework the Achur enjoy within The State in which their Homeworld is granted the privileges of a Special Autonomous Zone and their people offered the benefits of Caldari corporate citizenship and employment in addition to tangible military protections both corporate and national is a superlative model to pursue in the creation of new corporate enclaves and colonial protectorates to expand State spheres of influence outside its traditional borders.

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Souchek Lehman
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-17 03:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Souchek Lehman
Perhaps your first sentence answers your questions.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#14 - 2013-05-17 03:49:23 UTC
As ethnic Achuran I feel that it is important that I speak my mind on this subject. Now mind you my view may not be the same as other Achurans.

I have never personally felt like an outcast or 2nd rate citizen to the State just because I'm not an ethnic Caldari descended from Caldari Prime. I have always been treated with the utmost respect by the ethnic Caldari and I treat them the same way. As I see it we are all Caldari. I don't care what you look like or what planet you may have descended from. All I care about is your actions and what you stand for, that is what determines if you are Caldari or not.

As for Caldari Prime, I may have no historical stake in it but that does not mean I don't care deeply about the current situation. I consider Caldari Prime just as important as my own homeworld Achura.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-17 03:52:13 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
As ethnic Achuran I feel that it is important that I speak my mind on this subject. Now mind you my view may not be the same as other Achurans.

I have never personally felt like an outcast or 2nd rate citizen to the State just because I'm not an ethnic Caldari descended from Caldari Prime. I have always been treated with the utmost respect by the ethnic Caldari and I treat them the same way. As I see it we are all Caldari. I don't care what you look like or what planet you may have descended from. All I care about is your actions and what you stand for, that is what determines if you are Caldari or not.

As for Caldari Prime, I may have no historical stake in it but that does not mean I don't care deeply about the current situation. I consider Caldari Prime just as important as my own homeworld Achura.


Your sentiments are heartily reciprocated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-05-17 08:17:58 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
I can only offer my own experience. Not sure what it's value is.

My mother was a Kaalakiota worker. She was only half Achuran but she showed it strong.

What I was told, occasionally she was subject to racial tensions from her co-workers, but these incidents were investigated into very seriously.

I am afraid that these tensions were not because she was Achura, but because she was half-Achura. I am myself half-Achura, but I have learned to, well, let's say, to "release" these tensions, I hope you understand what I do mean. Sometimes it was giving me more problems. Eventually, some of those, who were bringing such tensions, became my friends, others became enemies, ones considered me strong, others thought I was crazy, some respected, and others despised. But I surely made them to think twice before bringing such tensions again.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#17 - 2013-05-17 08:23:21 UTC
Not even a little self-criticism?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-17 08:23:57 UTC
I'm pretty certain the tensions aren't because you're half-Achur.

They're because you're f***ing insane and have no grasp on reality.

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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#19 - 2013-05-17 08:38:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I'm pretty certain the tensions aren't because you're half-Achur.

They're because you're f***ing insane and have no grasp on reality.


Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-17 11:02:04 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Not even a little self-criticism?

Excuse me, what?


Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I'm pretty certain the tensions aren't because you're half-Achur.

They're because you're f***ing insane and have no grasp on reality.


Pot. Kettle. Black.


I see you have just met the most unrelated gallentean kid in these parts of space. Have fun Lol

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