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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-17 20:18:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessara Celestine
So I have a few more questions around this. I hear Red v Blue is great for PVP but are they good at teaching new players. Or is pretty much join and start fighting?

Also what is everyone's opinion on piracy? Several of you mentioned you would be all to happy to steal my stuff in game, I wouldn't have it any other way actually ;) so some of you must be familiar with it. It does kind of excite me, not because I want to mess with people, I just want to earn a living and I believe in letting other people do the manual stuff for me ;) Ok that last comment was in character Pirate. But in all seriousness it sounds fun from what I have read and small gang type stuff with some scanning and some fighting sounds really cool. Not sure how I feel about large scale PVP and fleet battles at this point.

Anyway with regards to piracy there are so many comments about it. Some say it is too hard and a new player should stay away and only do it with an alt. Some saying new players can do it and have a lot of fun. It is a little scary to think if I start doing it my security status falls blocking me from 0.5 and higher space. How easy it will be to make a 'living' if that happens. But at the same time I look at spreadsheets all day at work and crunch numbers, so piracy appeals to me to log in find someone to hunt and go for it and why I don't want to be a trader. But with so much conflicting information out there I don't know what to believe. I am not afraid of taking risks and losing ships, they are just pixels and living on the edge is what makes this game different. I am hesitant to join a new player corp which forces new players to sit in stations during war because who wants to do that. I want to go shoot things and if I die so be it, clones are there for a reason. Each death is a learning experience not something to cry about or try to avoid so much you sit in station not doing anything.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#22 - 2013-05-17 20:49:23 UTC
For RvB i have heard they are good at training new players, but its not their their goal. Im guessing you can just be lucky and happen to log on when several of the members are in the mood and willing to help explain things and give advice.
J'Poll would know the answer to this one tho, so you might want to wait for his response.

For piracy...
Ohh this is such a difficult subject! When you just look at it it sounds simple, as you said log on and hunt someone down and kill them. But then you will have people saying this is not piracy.
In my own opinion i dont consider it piracy just because someone blew up someones ship in low sec or 0.0. The people who brought their ships there did so knowing that they most likely will get blown up.

What i consider piracy is things like griefing, suicide ganking, ransoming and not honoring the ransom, war dec carebear corps for the "lolz", harassing new players and so on.

But going into low sec, 0.0 or WH space and finding a fight, well thats just PVP and to experience the adrenaline from the fight, and excitement of not knowing if you will be the one getting away with an intact ship, or if your opponent(s) have a trick up their sleeve that will lead to you being the one finding your self in a fresh clone and down a ship.

Of course you also have PVP for more..purpose, like defending your space, war decs, intruders in your WH, defending your borders, RP reasons, simply creating a name for your self and/or your corp/alliance, or bigger causes like anti pirate and pirate corp's alliances that constantly butt heads Smile

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-17 20:56:33 UTC
RvB don't really have a structured "teaching" schedule like the uni, but you're going to learn many useful things there regardless. RvB have some extremely decent pilots who you can learn a lot from.

Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.

Art of Explosions
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#24 - 2013-05-17 21:36:48 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.


What?...that's not true at all.

With piracy you have to define it for yourself. How dirty can you be? What this dude is talking about is low sec pvpers who look for fights. Piracy can be joining corps and killing the members (AWOXing). That can make tons of money. Pick a particularly dumb looking high sec gang with very shiny stuff you would like to loot and join. When they aren't expecting it kill them, take their stuff and quit the corp when you've had enough of their sweet juicy tears.

For your first one I would suggest a fairly new corp, around 10-15 members with less than 3 years and little,bad or no killboard records who say they do incursions together. People love to fit insane amounts of isk on incursion ships. If you get in and are sitting next to billions you would like to steal contact me if you need help with the actual details for the heist. Twisted



If that's too scummy of a trade for ya I would suggest faction warfare. It's fun, cheap, you'll learn fast and you can make nice money off of it. Your spread sheet skills will come in handy there with the cashing in LP part of the money.
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-18 02:30:56 UTC
If you're interested in Piracy there's a training corp out there callled Somali Coastal Uni they're a new corp but they're getting good reviews.
Give them a look!

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Lysander Fairewell
Fluffy Butt Fleet
#26 - 2013-05-18 03:45:45 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
So I am a new player to Eve and I am having a great time with the game but I need advice. I am feeling overwhelmed with all the choices of Corp options that are out there. Today I got approached by a corp which was really small and just starting out but has a lot of ambitions goals. It seems like a cool idea to join a corp from the ground up ready to accept new players and teach them. But at the same time for a brand new player would it maybe make more sense to join a more established corp instead? I have been considering E-Uni has their tutorial videos really helped me and have made a huge difference and I have a lot to learn. I am still not sure what I want my focus to be, I am thinking more pvp focused but I have heard mining can be a lot of fun with a big group and exploration also seems fun. And then there is a part of me that thinks piracy could be fun.

Basically I guess what I would love to hear is advice you would give a new player when trying to narrow down the field of all the choices. I understand it is important to look for the right criteria and focus but after you have narrowed it down to say four or five what is the best way to go about choosing between those that meet all your criteria? I am an analyst for a living so sometimes I am really bad about over analyzing things which is probably my problem here.


Hello there!

I am also a new player, but I think I have some advice that will help you.

EVE is a huge Universe with a lot of things that you can do. Check this out. You could play for five years and not even scratch the surface! My advice to you is to figure out what you like doing right now - and find a corp that does that!

As far as joining a small corp - why not! You can help build something great from the ground up, and really become a part of something great. Building communities is probably one of the most challenging - and rewarding! - aspect of any MMO.

: : - These Burning Lights - : : - The adventures and thoughts of a newbie in EVE Online.

http://burninglightseve.blogspot.com/
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-18 07:54:07 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.


What?...that's not true at all.

With piracy you have to define it for yourself. How dirty can you be? What this dude is talking about is low sec pvpers who look for fights. Piracy can be joining corps and killing the members (AWOXing). That can make tons of money. Pick a particularly dumb looking high sec gang with very shiny stuff you would like to loot and join. When they aren't expecting it kill them, take their stuff and quit the corp when you've had enough of their sweet juicy tears.

For your first one I would suggest a fairly new corp, around 10-15 members with less than 3 years and little,bad or no killboard records who say they do incursions together. People love to fit insane amounts of isk on incursion ships. If you get in and are sitting next to billions you would like to steal contact me if you need help with the actual details for the heist. Twisted



If that's too scummy of a trade for ya I would suggest faction warfare. It's fun, cheap, you'll learn fast and you can make nice money off of it. Your spread sheet skills will come in handy there with the cashing in LP part of the money.


And how many times can you get away with this before you're blacklisted from the whole of eve?

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-18 09:05:00 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
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And how many times can you get away with this before you're blacklisted from the whole of eve?


Thats a stupid question and further more not one for a cute newbie thread in the cute newbie forum.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-05-18 10:05:11 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


And how many times can you get away with this before you're blacklisted from the whole of eve?


I've been doing it for years and I havn't run out of targets yet.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-18 11:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
RvB don't really have a structured "teaching" schedule like the uni, but you're going to learn many useful things there regardless. RvB have some extremely decent pilots who you can learn a lot from.

Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.


Does E-Uni fight in PvP

As far I know the rules in E-Uni are ONLY undock while at war when we can mass blob the enemy.

And they are only allowed to fight when wars happen...A simple roam is not allowed.

I have been digging deeper into E-Uni lately and personally only see / hear more and more bad things about them.


NC85 wrote:
J'Poll would know the answer to this one tho, so you might want to wait for his response.



RvB is not a teaching corp/alliance/community. They are however quite new player friendly.

Although their goal is not to teach new players in how to PvP, they have special programs (for instance: skillbook program and a ship replacement program) for new players, they have a mailinglist, chat channel and forum part specially for people new to EVE / PvP.

They have loads of very very experienced guys that help new players with all the questions they have.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-18 11:24:23 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.


What?...that's not true at all.

With piracy you have to define it for yourself. How dirty can you be? What this dude is talking about is low sec pvpers who look for fights. Piracy can be joining corps and killing the members (AWOXing). That can make tons of money. Pick a particularly dumb looking high sec gang with very shiny stuff you would like to loot and join. When they aren't expecting it kill them, take their stuff and quit the corp when you've had enough of their sweet juicy tears.

For your first one I would suggest a fairly new corp, around 10-15 members with less than 3 years and little,bad or no killboard records who say they do incursions together. People love to fit insane amounts of isk on incursion ships. If you get in and are sitting next to billions you would like to steal contact me if you need help with the actual details for the heist. Twisted



If that's too scummy of a trade for ya I would suggest faction warfare. It's fun, cheap, you'll learn fast and you can make nice money off of it. Your spread sheet skills will come in handy there with the cashing in LP part of the money.


And how many times can you get away with this before you're blacklisted from the whole of eve?


Uhm...some people don't mind being on black lists of the carebear corps...Twisted

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#32 - 2013-05-18 12:55:58 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


And how many times can you get away with this before you're blacklisted from the whole of eve?


I've been doing it for years and I havn't run out of targets yet.



Better yet...if you get in an incursion corp next to billions contact him. Blacklist? What's that a congratulatory "this guy robbed us" tear thread in C&P?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-05-18 17:04:28 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
RvB don't really have a structured "teaching" schedule like the uni, but you're going to learn many useful things there regardless. RvB have some extremely decent pilots who you can learn a lot from.

Piracy is a dead profession really, you will find it hard to make a profit attempting to be a pirate. Pirates are usually people who get wealthy from null/w-space and get bored and want to shoot things.


Does E-Uni fight in PvP

As far I know the rules in E-Uni are ONLY undock while at war when we can mass blob the enemy.

And they are only allowed to fight when wars happen...A simple roam is not allowed.

I have been digging deeper into E-Uni lately and personally only see / hear more and more bad things about them.


NC85 wrote:
J'Poll would know the answer to this one tho, so you might want to wait for his response.



RvB is not a teaching corp/alliance/community. They are however quite new player friendly.

Although their goal is not to teach new players in how to PvP, they have special programs (for instance: skillbook program and a ship replacement program) for new players, they have a mailinglist, chat channel and forum part specially for people new to EVE / PvP.

They have loads of very very experienced guys that help new players with all the questions they have.


Take a look at my killboard and tell me if I pvp Roll

Art of Explosions
Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-05-18 17:12:12 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Better yet...if you get in an incursion corp next to billions contact him. Blacklist? What's that a congratulatory "this guy robbed us" tear thread in C&P?



That would be this girl robbed us, I really am a girl in real life I don't just role play oneBlink One of the reasons I came to Eve was because it is a more mature community for a more mature game. In Wow it was like, you are a girl, how hot are you, how big are you boobs, do you even know what you are doing, why aren't you playing the Sims. Because you can't blow things up in the Sims that's whyTwisted

Wow so many great discussions. Thanks Robus for the Somali Coastal Uni idea I am talking to them now getting a feel for everything they offer. Also looking at OUCH as they seem to be getting high comments as pvp training and nullsec survival corp. I am still considering everything and that includes piracy, but I am not committing to anything right now. I might become a pirate hunter for all I know lol. I am just trying to gather information. I did have fun with the exploration tutorial yesterday, although it was challenging it was fun so I might try that too. I just love how I can make this game what I want it to be!

E-Uni has been beat up a lot in this tread and I am sure they are a great corp, just I don't think they are for me. I want a corp who is going to put their members out there and try things. A corp who says you will lose ships grabs my attention because it means they let you go out and play. I do get E-Uni's rules they want to discourage Wardecs and they clearly play to win with minimal loses so nothing wrong with that. If they want to wait and send out blobs they are in their right and for those players who want to play more cautiously and learn the game they are probably great. Just that is not how I want to play.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-18 17:47:55 UTC
come to lowsec camp, we are basically pirates until the surrounding locals all get fed up of losing and request blue status from diplos.

Art of Explosions
Socks the Fox
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-05-18 19:55:26 UTC
As far as I can tell the rules say I can't tell you to join Brave Newbies, but I can tell you I've learned a lot while I've been with them. They've usually been quick to answer my questions, and they're in no way strict about anything really. There's almost always something to fight, and BNI comms are such a hoot we have spais that don't even care about the intel. They helped me get on my feet and get started in my PVP career, with plenty of advice on fittings, tactics, etc.

The thing I like most is that we're so laid back. There's no "you must be here" or "you can't fly that" (though plenty of "are you sure you want to fly that"). Hell, we've only recently broken even on our isk efficiency because we care more about what's fun, and we're getting better at it. It lets me try out stupid fits, and generally do my own thing, while still giving something big to be a part of if I want to.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-18 20:16:09 UTC
i am also a big fan of brave newbies

+1 for nice people. If they were around when I started it could have gone either way from uni or them.

Art of Explosions
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#38 - 2013-05-18 22:10:57 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
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That would be this girl robbed us, I really am a girl in real life I don't just role play oneBlink One of the reasons I came to Eve was because it is a more mature community for a more mature game. In Wow it was like, you are a girl, how hot are you, how big are you boobs, do you even know what you are doing, why aren't you playing the Sims. Because you can't blow things up in the Sims that's whyTwisted


I would advice you to look into the channel (note channel, not corp) WGOE.http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/WGoE

The WIKI needs some updating, but the public channel is correct and the moderators are listed in there. The channel is very nice if you just want to hang out once in a while, and as long as you have passed your interview you can leave and join the channel as you wish.

Hope to see you there! Big smile

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#39 - 2013-05-18 23:42:03 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Better yet...if you get in an incursion corp next to billions contact him. Blacklist? What's that a congratulatory "this guy robbed us" tear thread in C&P?



That would be this girl robbed us, I really am a girl in real life I don't just role play oneBlink



Perfect...with a girl's voice you're already 10 steps further than any of us guys can get to in a short time. I'd bet you could "borrow" someone's blingboat to see how you look in it.

Join Corp
Log Into Comms and giggle
Ask for roles to help the corp
Rob them blind


Use what mama gave ya
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-05-19 00:13:37 UTC
The "new player friendly" tag can help identify corps, however there is a LOT of false advertising in the corp descriptions
Eve can sometimes feel like Alts-Online, so you cant really judge a corp by it's members figure

"new player friendly" will differ from corp to corp
some will only offer fitting and/or training advice.
some will provide low to mid level skill books.
some will provide you with a free ship or two.
some will give you a chance to join in with fleet-based activities, from mining, missions and sleepers or pvp.

eve requires a fair bit of patience
you need to decide what it is you specifically want to do
and then spend time talking to people to find out if there is an averlap with what they actively do

if their long term goals include activity x, the first question you should ask is 'when do plan to start ?'
if the answer is a woolly 'don't know' or 'in a few months' .... it may never actually happen
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