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I got bored of highsec but I'm afraid to go to null

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-05-15 10:25:07 UTC
The biggest risk is getting stuck with dud organizations. Do some research, and dont stick around if youre not having fun.

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JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#22 - 2013-05-15 10:26:38 UTC
If you are afraid of making the jump to 0.0 (bear in mind, it is actually less stressful and arguably safer than high sec) then join a small corp that roams in null, or join a null alliance.

Get some experience in pvp, just fit 10 cheap frigates and head into low sec. Shoot everything you can scramble. Get the phobias out of your system and experience the adrenaline rush that no other mmo except eve can deliver. The risk vs reward equation doesn't actually matter, since you only fly what you can afford to lose, right?

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC81MDW6dFa41VdNTt-pTl1Q

Always recruiting

Adam Dimaloun
Sector-C Zone
#23 - 2013-05-15 10:34:06 UTC
Seems most advices are going towards a null corp

I should look around for some names and ask friends then

Who knows, maybe I'll drop everything else and become a 23/7 nullsec addict Twisted

For lowsec, I feel I might want to go there, but after I see null, so if it don't work out for me, lowsec will be my fallback

Plenty of replies, all are very useful indeed Smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-05-15 10:38:27 UTC
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)

I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)
I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well

So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with?
Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well

I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics

o/


1) Create a jumpclone with no implants

2) Buy a fast frigate with 1-2 Warp Core Stabilisers, speed mods and an MWD. Maybe fit a salvager or two because you never know what you might find, and a single bit of good T2 salvage will pay for the whole ship.

3) Open up the map and find a 0.0 entry system that requires a few jumps through lo-sec to get to, and which doesn't show many pilots active right now

4) Go look around.

General advice:

1) 0.0 gateways are all regional gates. That means they're enormous. It's actually rather difficult to directly camp those gates, so it's usually the other gates in the system that are camped. So you probably won't get blapped when you jump in to 0.0, but there's some danger when you try to go to the next 0.0 system.

2) A rapidly travelling T1 frigate won't elicit much response from the inhabitants. They'll shoot you if they find you stuck in a bubble, but they're unlikely to go to any great effort.

3) Make bookmarks! Safespots, ping spots (a bookmark 200km off the gate so you can warp to the ping, check the gate out, and warp to the gate or run away as seems best)


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

floating in space
#25 - 2013-05-15 10:48:04 UTC
Just Lilly wrote:
I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there.


Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#26 - 2013-05-15 10:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
floating in space wrote:
Just Lilly wrote:
I recommend wormspace, establish your own base of operations from inside a C1, start from there.


Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo


^ This.

Best bet is to join a ****** alliance like a renter or CVA. Learn the ropes and break the ice when it comes to living in 0.0 then move up from there. Trying to explain being in a ****** renter corp or CVA, however might be problematic later on though.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

addelee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-05-15 10:57:13 UTC
floating in space wrote:

Wormholes are a lot scarier than nullsec imo


I kinda like wormholes. The lack of local makes it seem scarier than it actually is but once you check traffic with probes, you know whether to run or fight. Saying that, if you actually pickup another ship on the overview you know you should be locking with no second thought.

I find Lowsec the scariest place. It's out and out pvp whether you like it or not. Tried establishing myself there but the cost of ship replacement and the endless clone sink meant making a profit was near impossible (it no doubt is possible but I didn't find a way)
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#28 - 2013-05-15 11:13:39 UTC
Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-05-15 11:29:16 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer.


And there's a good chance of picking up some tasty loot from abandoned wrecks.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#30 - 2013-05-15 11:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
If you have the slightest inclination to want to get involved and be a team player, then nul sec corporations will grab you with both hands and hold you dearly to their collective bossom.

Its been 3 years now for me, and I was in the exact same position as you are. All I needed was a litttle push, and then a little adjusting, and I never looked back. Take the jump, then look for help and you'll never look back.

P.S. In case it has to be said - if it even smells like a goon, run.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-05-15 11:57:11 UTC

You need to find a "new player training" corp to hold your hand, tell you what to fit and where to jump.

After a couple weeks/months you should be ok by yourself.

You think null is scary and highsec is safe.

Think of it like this.

Null is the deep ocean.

Highsec is the shore.

Where are all the sharks? By the shore.

In 0.0 if you get wardecced, you don't care. Nothing changes for you, you still go out, mine for an hour, get your coffee, come back, join a gang, camp the gate for a bit, chat, have some tea, etc.

In 1.0 if you get wardecced, your home system is camped and market systems like Jita are a guaranteed killzone. You ask in corp chat "do we have a pvp gang?" Nope, they don't because they're a noob corp in highsec, they just sit in the station and cry about griefers.

See

%99.8 of "hardcore pvp'ers" aren't looking for a fight, they're looking for a victim.

Where are the pvp gangs? Null
Where are the victims? Highsec

So where are the "hardcore pvp'ers?" Highsec to feed on the noob corps.

You think the average "merc wardec" corp wants to go fight Pandemic Legion? Hell no, they want to fight someone like you, so they can **** you in the shower and take your lunch money.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#32 - 2013-05-15 11:59:58 UTC
Find a nullsec corporation to join, move to nullsec. Simples!! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Prince Kobol
#33 - 2013-05-15 12:04:27 UTC
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)

I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)
I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well

So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with?
Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well

I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics

o/


Join R v B
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-05-15 12:14:03 UTC
@Op

Tell yourself the sooner you start loosing stuff and get used to, the sooner you will disconnect from this idea where pixels have value in real money or life time.

It's just pixels, yep sucks when you loose shiny ones, that's why every one and his grand father around will tell you to pick frigates and go for a ride until you get comfortable with null sec pvp, the area you will be playing and the people you'll be playing with too of course.

You might actually not do many stuff in your own corp but at alliance level, doesn't matter, the moment you're on once things get hot it's ok, if you like activities like mining or exploration/incursions there is always someone to do it with you or invite you, once you've met the good ones of course.

Take your time to find one that suits you but move, don't give a cent for whatever apply, don't move all your stuff at once and don't contract it to no one, just go there in a bomber or frig and build everything from the scratch because it's a very good way to learn how to do business over there.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-15 12:16:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Actually, right now is the best time to experince null since alot of big alliances are starting major fights. null will be alot of fun this summer.


And there's a good chance of picking up some tasty loot from abandoned wrecks.




Who cares if those are not abandoned?-those are mine !! all mine !! Gimme !!

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Meytal
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-05-15 12:24:01 UTC
The single best thing you can do is to overcome your attachment to "stuff". It was work to get it, true, but accumulation of wealth in this game for the purpose of accumulation of wealth will lead to burnout and boredom. It appears that CCP has intentionally designed the active ISK-generation in this game to be mind-crushingly boring.

Once you move to a point where you use ISK generation as a side job to fund your other (usually PvP-related) activities, you free yourself up from a lot of worry and stress.

And really, wormhole space is where it's at ... not Null. You have small gang warfare, often plenty of solo hunting opportunities, a bunch of tight-knit groups who will become like a family to you before long instead of treating you like a worker drone. You hunt, and are hunted, without the free Local intel channel; you can sneak up on your targets and they never see you coming until you're shooting them.

For better or worse, just about everything in W-space requires scanning; you can practice for this by looking for Combat, Grav (ming), Mag, and Radar exploration sites in hisec. I particularly like this reliance on scanning because it means that what I can do depends on how much effort I want to spend. I can blame only myself if I don't have enough to do and get bored. There are Mag, Radar, Mining (Ladar/Gas and Grav/Ore), and Combat sites in W-space, though they hit harder and reward MUCH more than anything in Hisec. PI in W-space ties with PI in Null for the top profit potential.

The other essential in W-space is cloaking. You fly around hunting (while being hunted) looking for a target who thinks he is safe, as opposed to flying around in Null shooting people who weren't smart enough to dock up when they heard there was a roaming fleet in their area.

Check out the recruitment forums and see what some of the wormhole corps are looking for. If they can give you some specifics on skill requirements, as opposed to "must have 20 mil blah blah", they probably have a better handle on things. Like Null, only take what you need.

This picture illustrates the difference between types of space rather accurately:

http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hilownullwh.jpg

Now, which looks more fun to you?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2013-05-15 12:28:37 UTC
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
So from the title, I'm really bored from highsec and the boring mining/mission running in there, I'm kind of industry thing with little interest in pvp (I do love to pvp but I have some fear from it, which I'm trying to get over)

I loved EVE too much even if some people told me it don't suite me due to the fact that I fear taking risks (and EVE = risk + win)
I don't want the commitment to be 23/7 nullsec drone or what comes to that, I just want to GTFO from that abomination called highsec and go explore/mine ABC and try get some pvp kills as well

So what did you guys did when you first joined in? any advices to take and work with?
Keep in mind I'm below 10 million SP char, and I can fly all races up to battleships and Minmatar AFs, Amarr AFs with T2 full fits on them, also covops frigs as well

I see EVE as a big affective game to real life as well, because if not for the space, it would be real life with all its politics/risks and mechanics

o/


Gonna level with you Adam (can i call you Adam? I can, thanks!).

You WILL lose stuff sometimes in null if you stay there long enough. The trick is to become an expert at staying safe PLUS learning that it's all just meaningless pixels anyway. Living in High Security Space reinforces the false idea that your "stuff" is actually valuable and worth keeping, when in fact this is a video game and losing EVERYTHING except the noob ships you get for free is nothing more than a slight bump in an imaginary road.

EVE "stuff" only has what mental value people assign to it (except of course MY stuff like my Machariel, that's real, I fly it to my real life job everyday, only difference is that in real life unlike in EVE it costs me 5 bucks a day to dock, damn downtown parking situation). What was I saying? Oh yea.

You can't live in null if you can't deal with loss. High Sec is FULL of failed null sec people who couldn't figure out how to live in null and think they game should be changed to accommodate their failure in null rather than them growing a "sack" and learning something.

In the same way EVE isn't (or shouldn't be) for everyone, null isn't for everyone, step one is asking yourself "is this right for me" and take it from there. if the answer is no, find something else to do, if it's yes, find a corp of like minded people (they exist) and join them. That's what i did, my corp is cool and laid back and our situation is less stressful than being in a "front line" pvp all the time null corp and that's just the way we like it.
Adam Dimaloun
Sector-C Zone
#38 - 2013-05-15 12:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Dimaloun
@Desert Ice78: Well, I like gang PVP more than solo, in fact I'm looking to get all my EWAR (ECM) skills to 5, which I got most of them on 4, and 2 on 5 now, also with EWAR, I'm planning for logistics as well... this not to completely remove the combat roles of course... but EWAR/Logi are first on the list for me

@Cipher7: I know what you mean exactly, I know a highsec corp wardec a FW corp who lives in low sec, once those mrces brought some ships into low sec near that FW corp and they got raped, so they dropped the wardec

Everyone else, Thanks! for the nice comments and advices, I think I'll find my way there through a corp or even go blow my ships there to get used to the 0.0 bubbles and traps and how people live there

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@Jenn aSide, I have no issue with losing ships, I got other alt, who lost tons of ships to the level I now smile whenever I lose a ship because that funny hull sound

But is null right for me? well, I want to get out of highsec, going low sec? well, I went there many times in small ships flying there and see how it goes, with the many pirates and chaos in there, I'll be forced into a situation of losing more than making money
Mining, mission running? that became the most boring thing for me now
So I got null left, with the new expansion coming, more manufacturing efficiency, plus I might get lucky with some good corp to start getting more serious in PVP I guess that what I want
What was making holding for me was the unacceptable loses I will get in my first days/weeks
But after all replies I saw, I guess once I get in there, things will become smoother more and more....
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#39 - 2013-05-15 12:32:11 UTC
Adam Dimaloun wrote:
@Desert Ice78: Well, I like gang PVP more than solo, in fact I'm looking to get all my EWAR (ECM) skills to 5, which I got most of them on 4, and 2 on 5 now, also with EWAR, I'm planning for logistics as well... this not to completely remove the combat roles of course... but EWAR/Logi are first on the list for me

@Cipher7: I know what you mean exactly, I know a highsec corp wardec a FW corp who lives in low sec, once those mrces brought some ships into low sec near that FW corp and they got raped, so they dropped the wardec

Everyone else, Thanks! for the nice comments and advices, I think I'll find my way there through a corp or even go blow my ships there to get used to the 0.0 bubbles and traps and how people live there


That's the spirit. With one post you demonstrate you've got more (real, actual) balls than 99% of high sec. Good luck Adam.
Adam Dimaloun
Sector-C Zone
#40 - 2013-05-15 12:46:43 UTC
@Meytal: I have not given WH space much thoughts, but after your reply I will :D