EVE General Discussion

Another possibility (If I am reading this correct) is train the BC skill as close to V as you can get (Preferably to V), don’t train one of the racial cruiser skills to 3. When the patch comes through you will get distributable points for the racial BC you don’t have the prerequisites for totalling up to 1.5 million SP to distribute. Don’t waste them, train the prerequisite and then apply the SP to BC’s Effectively allowing you to train them by clicking ‘distribute points’ whenever you like.

You only get unallocated SP if you have skill in BC and NO cruiser skills.

If you have any cruiser skills at all, you get no unallocated SP.

Even if you have no cruiser skills, you only get as much unallocated SP as you've spent in BC, so you might as well have just trained that SP in whatever you wanted it in anyway.

Look at OP's corp.

He's new, give him a break.

He's even asking nicely and not even moaning about it.

All Cruisers 5.
All Frigates 5.

Destroyer 5.
Battlecruiser 5.

Awwww yeaaaa.

Now: You only need to train 2,048,000 SP (~31 days) to be able to fly all destroyers and battlecruisers at level 5
After: You'd need to train 8,192,000 SP (~126 days) to be able to fly all destroyers and battlecruisers at level 5

6 million SP, or 95 total days of training at 2700 sp/hr, you won't have to train later isn't meaningless at all.

Those of you who are saying it's unfair should consider the other changes:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234
Before, ship progression into the next larger level required level 4 of the previous (at least for subcaps), with destroyers and battlecruisers somewhat removed
The line of progression was: Frigate 4 -> Cruiser 4 -> Battleship 5 -> Carrier/Dreadnought/Super/Titan
The line of progression now becomes Frigate 3 -> Destroyer 3 -> Cruiser 3 -> Battlecruiser 3 -> Battleship 3 -> Carrier/Dreadnought/Super/Titan

Because of the removal of tiers all tech 1 ships of a class will require only level 1 of their corresponding skill to fly (e.g. Abaddon will now require only Amarr Battleship 1, instead of Amarr Battleship 3, just to sit in it)

Capital ship changes for times aren't terribly significant overall but what is now different is that the time required to fly the ship effectively is reduced because many of these skills are now incorporated into the requirements for the ship itself, e.g. JDC 3 and JFC 4 as prerequisite for racial carrier, tactical weapon reconfiguration 1 for dreadnought

Tech 2 ships have some requirements switched around as well, mainly to remove requirements for other tech 2 ship skills or level 5 of a ship class below it, but also to add requirements that are generally necessary or important for that ship. For example, interdictors currently require interceptors 4, frigate 5, and destroyers 5. After Odyssey interdictors will require destroyer 5, propulsion jamming 5, and graviton physics 1 which in turn also allows you to use the interdiction sphere launcher (the entire reason for flying an interdictor in the first place). The time to sit in the ship is slightly shorter, but as soon as you can sit in the ship you can actually use it how it's meant to be used.

Heavy assault cruisers have assault frigates removed as a skill requirement, recon ships have covert ops removed as a skill requirement, command ships will require all of the warfare skills at level 5 but they will no longer have the other funky requirements like heavy assault ships or logistics.

New players will also be happy to know that they can jump into an iteron mark 5 as soon as 33 minutes after subscribing, sooner with remap and implants, since all industrials will only require racial industrial 5.

Mining barges will require mining frigate 3, which adds like a total of five hours, so not really a big deal. Orca will be significantly easier to train for as mining barge 5 will no longer be a requirement.

If you choose Battlecruisers 5, have +5 implants, and a perc/wil remap, and you start RIGHT NOW, you will end up finishing Battlecruisers 5 in the wee morning hours before the downtime to deploy the Odyssey patch, assuming the downtime happens at 11:00 UTC (which is not always the case, mind you, sometimes it's earlier). Then after that about 26 days of training to get all of the destroyers to level 5.
Just under 26 days of training after Odyssey hits is what you're looking at for this route to get everything to 5.

Alternatively, you could get Destroyers 5 now, then end up about 6.5 days short on Battlecruisers 5. Bringing all of the battlecruisers to 5 at that point is again 26 days worth of training.
So for this route, 26 days of training.

op is 5 weeks old

yes and no

The progression is changing from

"You can train the Battlecruisers skill to L3 whenever you want (provided you have Spaceship Command Level 4), you just need Gallente Cruiser to Level 3 as a secondary prerequisite to fly a Talos"

TO

"In order to train Gallente Battlecruisers, you need to train Gallente Cruisers to Level 3 (plus spaceship command L3). In addition, since tiericide will be done, you only need Gallente Battlecruisers Level 1 to fly Brutix/Myrmi/Talos"


If you look at this devblog it shows the Oracle as taking about 1d 16h to complete training (looks like from the POV of a newbie with a few skills) post patch. This means that just to sit your ass in all 12 Battlecruisers, you're looking at 6.67 days* from dead newb to getting all of them.

*NOTE -- More realistically, this is 7-10 days due to needing to train the other racial frigate skills.


Pre-patch, you're looking at about 4d 22h for the "on-race" Tier3 battlecruiser (i.e. the Oracle if you're Amarrian). Additionally, you're looking at a little over 3 days for the other 3, ending up at just shy of 14 days for all of the Battlecruisers.

Now, since "L1 skill" is generally considered to be the realm of "you shouldn't really be flying that yet", it probably ends up taking just as long to get to L3 skills as it does currently, or potentially a hair longer.