Warfare & Tactics

I only just resubbed but the way I dec corps and alliances is after gathering intel, find a corp with a strong leadership, dec against very high numbers, if you dec a 20 man indy corp with 10 good pvprs they'll know they're going to get slaughtered and run. I usually will dec 200 to 1000 in my one man corp. It gives them false hope and they want to fight because they think you'll be an easy kill. If you get 5 good pvprs and dec a 500 to 1000 man corp or alliance you'll get good fights and they wont start dropping for a while. Also had alts who Id let them get a kill on now and again to motivate them. You have to you psychology on them to keep them focused.

War decs come in handy still.

Sec status and isk are rarely a concern for us but faction standing is.



If another corp in militia awoxs one of my alliance members - I can dec them and fight without faction standing loss.

If they disband - Great, I've effectively won.

50mil is cheaper than 2 fit cruisers. When you think of it that way - it's still a good value option to humiliate/disband a corp.


But you gotta try very hard to get war decced in eve. I have directly insulted many large 'highsec pvp' corps in an attempt to be war decced but because I live in low sec they never do it.
One day someone will dec me I hope. Someone with massive numbers and the ability to mobilize on mass is preferable.

Why does this appeal?
Winning wars in eve isn't always who blows up the most spaceships.

If one person in a frigate can cat and mouse an entire enemy fleet for maybe an hour - that's a massive win for the one.
You have wasted 30 total hours of their game time with only 1 of your own.

Many people think they have won wars but really they have lost overall if you take man hours/lost income into account.
So I think they are good value if used well.

As I said to the new foggies who visited the other week in Hyk.
'The tricky bit of pvp in eve isn't winning - The tricky bit is making the enemy think they can win.'

No probs.

Some good ideas.

My idea is a bit opposite - I dunno if I should post here or in that thread but I'm already here so here tis-

I think once you join a player corp or after a toon hits 3 months old you should not be able to drop back to an npc corp ever.

If you hit 3 months or quit a corp during a wardec you automatically get a free player made corp and any wars transfer for their duration to the new corp.
Naming is numerical and automatic - Starting with 1.

All war dec avoidance problems solved.

CCP - I will accept cash payments as thanks for solving this.

The tax idea is good. I hadn't thought of that.

You should also remember that if you have char that has been 5 years in starter npc corp everyone thinks it is just an alt and thinks those can not pvp or have skills so chars like those can be surprise with 100m+ sp and experienced pvp player.

i agree with op, wardec system is pretty useless isk sink.

I know alot would disagree, but to be fair, most empire wars is all about greifing easy kills nothing else.

I would love to see a real reson for war decs, something to fight about.

Fx agressing dec corp place hub in a constallation. Like FW there is a bar on the hub going left and right. It agressors interest to keep this Hub up for 1 week, where its defenders interest to remove it.

If it stays for one week, set corp or alliance are no longer able to dock in set constallation.

Why this..

Empire POSet are often used for Research and inventions, if you lose docking access in the system, you are forced to bring your BPOs to the POS, which is a higher risk, as you one, can get ganked with exspensiv BPOs, corp theift ect..

If you use a system for Trading, thats no longer posible, as you have been denied docking access.

If you have a bigger industrial part going, youll need the station to unload ore if your mining.

Eventually you have to move out.

This means there are resons to fight for. Ie, if you dock up one week, you will lose access to a constallation. If you remove the hub, you will actually gain something and win the WAR.

Chances to fight people will be higher.

Yes the greifing part of hunting lonly miners and mission runners will problally be reduces, but still be there.

Im looking at this from both sides.

i hope you ready to pay to CCP for lost subscriptions in this case?

Repeating for 100000th time: if high-sec person DOESN"T WANT to fight you WON"T force him. The last hideaway for carebear you wardecced* is (guess what?) log off. You cannot force him to log in. Thus your all "make them play with me!" won't work anyway.

But once person logged off and doesn't log back he can freeze his account of leave. Thus CCP loses money.

* - looking at your ideas and posts you don't wardec people who would fight back.

I agree with the underlined part to a point.

With ice becoming (maybe) a rarer commodity it would be nice to see a way to try and "own" ice belts though. Not just for the miners, but for merc corps as well. Lets say X corp wants a belt clear of other miners. They could hire a merc corp to clear out the belt. With the system that is now in place. War dec arrives people quit corp and continue to mine. Or they never join a player corp to begin with because for mining there is no tax in NPC corps.

Without war decs, where would RvB be? We enjoy and employ the war decs to their fullest.

As for the ice belt claiming, no way it could be done with war decs. Even if the Dec trailed a person, a new corp could try to mine the belt. The merc corp would have to war Dec every ice miner in eve, which just wouldn't work. Better to gank constantly.

Also, for all the people clamoring about wars following people, you really haven't thought this through. If the war traveled corp to corp when one player switched corps, you would end up with War Dec space disease again. If the deccer doesn't have to pay the costs of the new war Dec for the transfer, you've made all war secs cost the minimum. I war Dec my alt in a 1 person corp. He goes and joins eve uni, RvB, or another large group, I get a free war Dec. If the deccer has to pay the costs, it just becomes a way to grief the deccer by constantly leaving a decced corp and joining RvB.

If the Dec only follows the individual, how do you handle aggression mechanics? Is it just a limited engagement between myself and the deccers meaning my new corp can't help or can my new corp help, but become suspect? Or would they not even go suspect, just gain a limited engagement flag when you attack me too?

Also, if I leave corp A, join B, quit B, join C, what happens? Would A, B, and C now all be at war with the decoders? Only A and C?

These ans many more nuisances are the details you need to work out before just saying transfer wars.

Forgot one... I Dec your corp. You quit and join my corp... Am I now at war with my own corp?