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Cyno/Covert Cyno

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Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-05-15 00:43:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...


You mean like the 5 to 10 minutes that the cyno ship cannot move and has a system wide beacon that everyone can warp to?

Or the fact that all cov ops capable ships have much less tank than other ships in their class?

Or that you can counter drop them.



how would you ever counter drop them....


Use a cyno?



so you expect me to, have a fleet sitting on a titan that i cant get because i cant get sov because i dont have a dev in the alliance, and you expect me to have a cyno fitted at all times... etc etc etc...


p.s.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1341858117_You-Dont-Say-Meme-Rage-Face-Nicolas.png
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#62 - 2013-05-15 00:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...



Like if somehow the ship lighting the cyno was rendered immobile and vulnerable, allowing the target to either destroy it or escape from it?

Oh...

And what if the ships capable of lighting said cyno were either flimsy or carried a significant delay before they can target something after decloaking, allowing most people with half a brain to escape?


Oh...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-05-15 00:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Retrillion wrote:



so you expect me to, have a fleet sitting on a titan that i cant get because i cant get sov because i dont have a dev in the alliance, and you expect me to have a cyno fitted at all times... etc etc etc...


A dev to get sov? Are you really this stupid?

You dont even need a cyno to deal with cov ops ships, I have done it solo plenty of times.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-05-15 00:50:41 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...



Like if somehow the ship lighting the cyno was rendered immobile and vulnerable, allowing the target to either destroy it or escape from it?

Oh...

And what if the ships capable of lighting said cyno were either flimsy or carried a significant delay before they can target something after decloaking, allowing most people with half a brain to escape?


Oh...



no because a 1bill blackops is still not enough to even make a alliance care because they have trillions...

i said there should be a effect like you just said on the fleet....
Haulie Berry
#65 - 2013-05-15 00:51:40 UTC
Those are some pretty good ideas, OP, but I have a better one:

HTFU.
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-05-15 00:53:59 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
Rykuss wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
show you a graph or something... ?


Of course we do. Do you even play this game?


obiously i dont play the game thats why im here... and graph of what ... what do you want me to show you...


You could start by showing me where the bad covops pilot touched you.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.

Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-05-15 00:55:45 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Rykuss wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
show you a graph or something... ?


Of course we do. Do you even play this game?


obiously i dont play the game thats why im here... and graph of what ... what do you want me to show you...


You could start by showing me where the bad covops pilot touched you.



all i am trying to say is that you can counter a cyno, but a cov cyno can not be stopped atall unless you know its comming

and i dont and havent died to a hotdrop ... so your argument is invalid
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2013-05-15 01:01:34 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
are you guys seriously trolling, or you just that stupid you cant see that its not fairly sided... razor and pandemic trying to say you guys know that its not fair for the smaller guys and what do you want me to do, show you a graph or something... ?

No, it's not fair for the smaller guys. Congratulations for this revelation.
Now perhaps you'd care to explain why it should be.


the only reason that your arguing right now is because your in Razor its that simple...

The only reason you're arguing right now is because you don't know what you're talking about. It's that simple.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Jonathan Barnet
Raytheon Heavy Industries
#69 - 2013-05-15 01:04:38 UTC
Yet another "the game is broken, make it easier for me" post.

When will this end?

EVE is designed to be hard with a steep learning curve. I would know, I have recently started playing this game (1 year in). But from what I have learnt over the past 12 months is that, even though you might find something "hard", "unfair" or even "un balanced", there are many more opportunities in this game that far outweigh the "bad".

This game is SO MUCH FUN. You can do pretty much what ever you like.

And as the saying goes, 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em".

So go get your own ship that can cyno/covert cyno and...

Stop your tears and HTFU.

//out
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#70 - 2013-05-15 01:10:45 UTC
1/10

I gave you a one because you put the effort into whining about cloakers from a different angle instead of the tired old "nerf cloaks" approach.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-05-15 01:11:44 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
all i am trying to say is that you can counter a cyno, but a cov cyno can not be stopped atall unless you know its comming

and i dont and havent died to a hotdrop ... so your argument is invalid


If you know it's coming, then why are you still sitting there? It's relatively easy to mitigate drops, covert cyno capable ships are all hilariously easy to kill; all covert ships are pretty easy to neutralize.

Every post you have made in this thread is backed up with nothing but misconceptions, bad information and zero research; Why are you proposing for drastic drawbacks to a relatively underused ship setup that really only gets used by bittervets and high skill point pilots anyway?

PvP in EVE is seperated into two distinct groups, there are the people that have done their research, theorycrafting and tested their findings in the field, and those who hear someone else ramble on about something in a channel, have no idea what they are doing, and refuse to take either advice or comment from people that actually know what they are talking about.

Your entire existence is invalid.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2013-05-15 01:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Let's take a look at ships that can fit covert cynos:

Covert ops frigates: Targeting delay after decloak, super easy to kill
Stealth bombers: Super easy to kill
Blockade runners: Targeting delay after decloak, super easy to kill, even easier to hit than SB or covops, only one can currently fit both a cloak and covert cyno
Force recons: Targeting delay after decloak
Strategic cruisers: Targeting delay after decloak
Black Ops: Can't warp cloaked

Looks pretty balanced to me.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-05-15 01:22:11 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
all i am trying to say is that you can counter a cyno, but a cov cyno can not be stopped atall unless you know its comming

and i dont and havent died to a hotdrop ... so your argument is invalid


If you know it's coming, then why are you still sitting there? It's relatively easy to mitigate drops, covert cyno capable ships are all hilariously easy to kill; all covert ships are pretty easy to neutralize.

Every post you have made in this thread is backed up with nothing but misconceptions, bad information and zero research; Why are you proposing for drastic drawbacks to a relatively underused ship setup that really only gets used by bittervets and high skill point pilots anyway?

PvP in EVE is seperated into two distinct groups, there are the people that have done their research, theorycrafting and tested their findings in the field, and those who hear someone else ramble on about something in a channel, have no idea what they are doing, and refuse to take either advice or comment from people that actually know what they are talking about.

Your entire existence is invalid.


thats the smartest thing you've said so far, but when noobs start using this high skillpoint system to do the same thing then what?
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2013-05-15 01:27:32 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
thats the smartest thing you've said so far, but when noobs start using this high skillpoint system to do the same thing then what?


I expect to be on some rather hilarious killmails.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#75 - 2013-05-15 01:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Retrillion wrote:
no because a 1bill blackops is still not enough to even make a alliance care because they have trillions...

i said there should be a effect like you just said on the fleet....


Those were descriptions of the current game mechanics affecting the lighting of a Covert Cyno. Oh, and you can see them coming from a mile away; Neut in system, nothing on Dscan, must be cloaked, probably has Cyno, be careful.

While there's that cloaked Neut in system, you could use:


  • A 1400 Quick Locking Tornado will keep your mining fleet forever safe from the horror of a SB lead Covert drop. The Bomber decloaks, lights the cyno, you blap it (because hey, a frigate that's not moving), and the fleet bridging ends up randomly spread around the system.

  • A Falcon will do similar, allowing your Mining barge to simply warp away from the now impotent stealth bomber.

  • If they bring something heavier than a Stealth bomber to light the Cyno, you have at least 5 seconds to react and exeunt before anything gets tackled. (Try fitting webs in your mids and keeping your friends webbed, you'll fleetwarp almost instantly.).


If you want to set a trap, keep a cloaked Interdictor near where you expect the bomber to arrive, and bubble the Cyno (the fleet will land within 5km of the Cyno, the bubble is 20km) and tackle expensive things (a cloaked Arazu works great here). Now get your fleet in, either from Station/POS/Next door or a Blops/Titan bridge, depending on resources.

Why should you get to have a turkey shoot against the fleet bridging in without any effort on your part?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#76 - 2013-05-15 04:32:39 UTC
Filing this under: "The case for minefields."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Irya Boone
The Scope
#77 - 2013-05-15 05:35:30 UTC
humm NO op .

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

dark heartt
#78 - 2013-05-15 05:46:16 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Posting in yet another nerf BLOPs-based warfare in general/cloaking in particular thread.

1/10.

Get out.

E:

Added specifics for clarity, and troll-rating.



see what your doing is not being open atall, i guess your in a big alliance or use this type of thing, thats why you think its a bad idea... how about you stop raging and give ideas on how it could help...


I'm not in a big alliance, and I have nothing to do with low or null sec space.

THIS IS A BAD IDEA.

Get out.
cpu939
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
#79 - 2013-05-15 07:08:56 UTC
Retrillion wrote:


so you expect me to, have a fleet sitting on a titan that i cant get because i cant get sov because i dont have a dev in the alliance, and you expect me to have a cyno fitted at all times... etc etc etc...


p.s.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1341858117_You-Dont-Say-Meme-Rage-Face-Nicolas.png


1 - you can get a titan i see them a lot on the for sell order forums
2 - have a fleet ready to kill hostiles, man that's new we should all really look into this.
3 - any alliances that hold sov didn't get there by devs giving them it, they took it with people playing the game together.
4 - you don't need to have a cyno fitted all the time but when you have a hostile and you want to hotdorp them back its nice to change your fit and bait them you know use team work.




Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#80 - 2013-05-15 07:10:30 UTC
It's another one of these threads again.

I'm not going to read it.


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