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Cyno/Covert Cyno
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Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-05-15 00:10:23 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No.



Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game...

It sounds like you want a game with restrictive and optional PVP.
In other words, not EVE.



no no no i didnt say dont make pvp like this possible, just make a downside....


The downside is, if you're using intel channels, have local in a seperate window, check D-scan and actively piloting your ship, you see them coming light years away. If you really want to hit them hard, make covert cynos cost fuel. Oh wait.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-05-15 00:10:49 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
You said that big alliances could just take anything... and that no one could do anything about it and then leave when there BORED....


So why the hell did you make a thread about 'fixing' covert cynos in the first place? Maybe discuss the real problem in OP and not some random thing that is remotely related in mechanics to the real problem (which isn't exactly the biggest problem at the moment anyway)...



see your just changing the subject because you no that its a good idea...

and why would it affect anyone its just another enjoyable feature that would be fun just like adding a distance without the distance it wouldnt change anything just would mean you could jump from home instead of moving around...

there should be ways to stop this from happening which there isnt at the moment...
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-05-15 00:12:24 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No.



Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game...

It sounds like you want a game with restrictive and optional PVP.
In other words, not EVE.



no no no i didnt say dont make pvp like this possible, just make a downside....


The downside is, if you're using intel channels, have local in a seperate window, check D-scan and actively piloting your ship, you see them coming light years away. If you really want to hit them hard, make covert cynos cost fuel. Oh wait.



you seem like a smart guy What?

what is the cost of around 10mill - 100million to someone who has a wallet that is nealy max.... i mean these guys could lose 10 titans and still say yeah its fine well just make 10 more tomorrow... cost of fuel is just basic
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-05-15 00:13:53 UTC
It's pretty clear you don't actually understand any of the mechanics involved.
I invite you to analyze them and come back when you do.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-05-15 00:19:02 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
what is the cost of around 10mill - 100million to someone who has a wallet that is nealy max.... i mean these guys could lose 10 titans and still say yeah its fine well just make 10 more tomorrow... cost of fuel is just basic


Do you even play this game?
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-05-15 00:19:42 UTC
So you're going to ignore all the helpful advice you've been given then? Gotcha.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Niddengolliah
Limit Everyone Nowhere Kingdom
#47 - 2013-05-15 00:20:23 UTC
Dude... Just... No...

You are looking for problems where none exist. A regular cyno is visible on the overview in the whole system - when it is deployed you have way more than enough time to warp to a safespot, dock, etc. Yes, sometimes you will meet a fleet you can't get rid of and will lose, but that is the beauty of Eve - you have to work hard to get somewhere, and even then there will be someone better than you at something.

Heck, what you are proposing here is gimping capital movement into something that might blow the capital up or make it jump one system at a time. Keep in mind that those jumps consume fuel capacitor and man power - it is already a pain in the ass to move some capitals more than 5 jumps at a time (capitals can't use gates, so that is their only way of moving around too).

Stop whining that someone is better at the game than you are and go do something productive instead.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-05-15 00:21:28 UTC
are you guys seriously trolling, or you just that stupid you cant see that its not fairly sided... razor and pandemic trying to say you guys know that its not fair for the smaller guys and what do you want me to do, show you a graph or something... ?
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-05-15 00:23:53 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Dude... Just... No...

You are looking for problems where none exist. A regular cyno is visible on the overview in the whole system - when it is deployed you have way more than enough time to warp to a safespot, dock, etc. Yes, sometimes you will meet a fleet you can't get rid of and will lose, but that is the beauty of Eve - you have to work hard to get somewhere, and even then there will be someone better than you at something.

Heck, what you are proposing here is gimping capital movement into something that might blow the capital up or make it jump one system at a time. Keep in mind that those jumps consume fuel capacitor and man power - it is already a pain in the ass to move some capitals more than 5 jumps at a time (capitals can't use gates, so that is their only way of moving around too).

Stop whining that someone is better at the game than you are and go do something productive instead.



no no i said a couple of examples of what i meant to say an example of what i was trying to example, and no its not hard to get somewhere as you see, BNI only got big because they hit the "DEV" blog which is yet again the devs messing with stuff they shouldnt
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-05-15 00:25:00 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
show you a graph or something... ?


Of course we do. Do you even play this game?

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-05-15 00:25:48 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
are you guys seriously trolling, or you just that stupid you cant see that its not fairly sided... razor and pandemic trying to say you guys know that its not fair for the smaller guys and what do you want me to do, show you a graph or something... ?

No, it's not fair for the smaller guys. Congratulations for this revelation.
Now perhaps you'd care to explain why it should be.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-05-15 00:26:20 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
show you a graph or something... ?


Of course we do. Do you even play this game?


obiously i dont play the game thats why im here... and graph of what ... what do you want me to show you...
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-05-15 00:28:08 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
are you guys seriously trolling, or you just that stupid you cant see that its not fairly sided... razor and pandemic trying to say you guys know that its not fair for the smaller guys and what do you want me to do, show you a graph or something... ?

No, it's not fair for the smaller guys. Congratulations for this revelation.
Now perhaps you'd care to explain why it should be.


the only reason that your arguing right now is because your in Razor its that simple...
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-05-15 00:31:58 UTC
So your argument is that ccp should nerf black ops, which are the least flown ship in eve and are hilariously bad at everything thats not black ops stuff.

Yeah, you're an idiot.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-05-15 00:34:29 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
So your argument is that ccp should nerf black ops, which are the least flown ship in eve and are hilariously bad at everything thats not black ops stuff.

Yeah, you're an idiot.




no i didnt say nurf the black ops, i didnt say nurf and ships or skills etc. i simply suggested for a downside to using such a process that should never be stable enough to do it over and over without anything ever happening...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2013-05-15 00:34:50 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...


You mean like the 5 to 10 minutes that the cyno ship cannot move and has a system wide beacon that everyone can warp to?

Or the fact that all cov ops capable ships have much less tank than other ships in their class?

Or that you can counter drop them.
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-05-15 00:36:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...


You mean like the 5 to 10 minutes that the cyno ship cannot move and has a system wide beacon that everyone can warp to?

Or the fact that all cov ops capable ships have much less tank than other ships in their class?

Or that you can counter drop them.



how would you ever counter drop them.... please tell me that and yeah but i didnt say an affect to just the person with the cyno i mean the fleet would take a downside or effect that could be negative that wil cause them to not be able to instanly drop so many people in the same way over and over
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-05-15 00:39:10 UTC
ok, this can be simply solved, someone explain how hotdropping works... and well see what the negative side is and what it effects
Retrillion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-05-15 00:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Retrillion
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2013-05-15 00:40:53 UTC
Retrillion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Retrillion wrote:
Everyone has the wrong idea... im trying to say that it would be better if there was a downside such as a timer or a disadvantage for using this sort of process and stop taking numbers literal, im just giving examples...


You mean like the 5 to 10 minutes that the cyno ship cannot move and has a system wide beacon that everyone can warp to?

Or the fact that all cov ops capable ships have much less tank than other ships in their class?

Or that you can counter drop them.



how would you ever counter drop them....


Use a cyno?