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Straight to Free to Play

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Lotty Granat
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-05-14 23:05:39 UTC
Can the CSM take up the proportion of Eve revenue reinvested into the Eve game. I know this is an out of game issue but Dust going straight to Free to Play is an insult to EvE subscribers. This means the years to investment into "walking in stations" (lets get some stats on how many 3 month + subscribers still have that enabled) etc. is highly unlikely to be payed back into the Eve game experience.

Recent expansions have been around configuration of existing functionality rather than radical game developments (nothing much has hit the game since T3 Cruisers and wormholes - balancing etc. is minimal technical effort, incursions are mostly DED space content configuration and graphics has a minimum game play effect).

The cash cow has funded a free to play game that is at least linked to eve plus a vampire fest on which the jury is still out.

I'd like the CSM to raise this to remind CCP of the previous eve player discontent on this issue and raise the likelihood of a repeat.

The sandbox needs new sand more often than it's currently provided - dying the existing sand is insufficient. Asking players what they want gives enhancements to the existing - CCP need planned evolution and we haven't seen that for many expansions.

Draqone an'Alreigh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-14 23:16:33 UTC
But then people cry "CCP always releases broken stuff and then never fixes it!!" Straight Vide most of this forum.

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None ofthe Above
#3 - 2013-05-14 23:24:59 UTC
Lotty Granat wrote:

The sandbox needs new sand more often than it's currently provided - dying the existing sand is insufficient.


Posting in a new form of the "EVE is dyeing" thread.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-14 23:37:21 UTC
While CSM will certainly argue that it is in CCP's best interest to invest more of their resources into EVE (ie: the ROI is there), the decision as to how to allocate their resources is the responsibility of CCP management, and not something CSM or EVE players have any direct say in.

If you are unsatisfied with the direction the game is taking, then your best option is to vote with your pocketbook, by changing the amount of money you expend playing the game. I recognize that this is a HTFU answer, but it is the honest truth.

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dark heartt
#5 - 2013-05-15 00:49:57 UTC
Lotty Granat wrote:

The sandbox needs new sand more often than it's currently provided - dying the existing sand is insufficient. Asking players what they want gives enhancements to the existing - CCP need planned evolution and we haven't seen that for many expansions.



However before adding new sand they need to remove the chunks of crap that came in with the last batch. Iteration is a good thing. The balancing happening at the moment was sorely needed to get people flying different ships again and they will be adding new features in the future. They just need to finish the stuff they've added now.

Also WIS... they can let that die... It's useless to this spaceship game.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-05-15 01:40:27 UTC
Yeah, this is totally the wrong way to approach this.

Your argument should be that the CSM should be reminding CCP that fixes are good and all, but players want new and fresh content, and will not wait forever.

I think Odyssey will be the last no-content expansion before people generally start getting a little pissy about it.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#7 - 2013-05-15 02:30:18 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, this is totally the wrong way to approach this.

Your argument should be that the CSM should be reminding CCP that fixes are good and all, but players want new and fresh content, and will not wait forever.

I think Odyssey will be the last no-content expansion before people generally start getting a little pissy about it.



You don't count the changes to exploration as content? Specifically the minigame

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-05-15 03:21:06 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, this is totally the wrong way to approach this.

Your argument should be that the CSM should be reminding CCP that fixes are good and all, but players want new and fresh content, and will not wait forever.

I think Odyssey will be the last no-content expansion before people generally start getting a little pissy about it.



You don't count the changes to exploration as content? Specifically the minigame


I was going for effect over exactitude.

Definitionally? Yes.

In the grand scheme of things? Insignificant.

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Asheru
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-15 03:39:53 UTC
Yeah, they're just going to give up $7-8 million per month and rely on old men buying frilly panties for their avatars to make up the rest of that income, because the majority of us feel like we should be able to play for free. Idk, maybe I just don't understand the F2P model, but I can't see them putting anything in the store that isn't merely cosmetic that won't have some adverse effect on the game.

No, I'll gladly pay my subscription to keep Eve the way it is.
Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-15 14:39:14 UTC
It isn't an insult to EvE so much as a reality of the current online gaming market.

I can't think of a single big named online shooter that wasn't F2P ever since Team Fortress 2 went Free to Play. This is because no one wants to try to compete with TF2 (And now Planetside 2) by charging money because they'll lose. They'll lose badly.

This is also the reason why DOTA2 is free to play. No one wants to try to compete with LoL by charging money because they'll lose. Badly.

There is no online F2P equivalent for EvE online. It's an entirely unique game. There is no Planetside 2 or LoL to contend with. There are F2P MMOs but none of them are anything like EvE.

This is the world we live in, sorry.

Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-15 20:31:52 UTC
Lotty Granat wrote:


The cash cow has funded a free to play game that is at least linked to eve plus a vampire fest on which the jury is still out.





The vampire fest does not pull on the financial resources of the EvE universe, it is funded more by the book sales of the tabletop RP and LARP assets from the White Wolf Game Studios from whence it came. They were just collaborating on a similar feature that was already in development. A lot of great artists and art assets in addition to the WiS (that suffered a PR failure more than a technical one) have come out of that studio already so the mixing of blood ( no pun intended ) has been a boost to both systems.

There is a rabid fanbase waiting for that game to release, and it does not look to be a free to play game. personally, i think they should have focused more on that then the fickle praystation fanbois, but it IS their corp, not ours.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#12 - 2013-05-16 08:05:12 UTC
Draconus Lofwyr wrote:
There is a rabid fanbase waiting for that game to release, and it does not look to be a free to play game. personally, i think they should have focused more on that then the fickle praystation fanbois, but it IS their corp, not ours.
CCP won't know what hit them if they **** the (classic) World of Darkness up.
I started playing EVE partly in a desire to see if CCP could handle cWoD.

And later, I learnt of friends who joined solely to check that.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-05-16 09:04:36 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Yeah, this is totally the wrong way to approach this.

Your argument should be that the CSM should be reminding CCP that fixes are good and all, but players want new and fresh content, and will not wait forever.

I think Odyssey will be the last no-content expansion before people generally start getting a little pissy about it.


I think CCP have received & internalised this message already.

But just to make sure, I'll be constantly reminding them of it, because I completely agree with you. These 2 years of "iteration" expansions have been wonderful: EVE is almost unrecognizably better (and will be even more so with Odyssey), and the fixes and upgrades to core mechanics have provided a wonderful foundation for true expansions.

Now it's time to start building on that foundation.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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