Player Features and Ideas Discussion

as far as feedback, i would say that medical clones need to go away, completely. currently they represent 3 clicks + isk. that's as much gameplay contribution they add. should you forget to set up a medical clone you could lose weeks of training. should you not have the isk to pay, you are stranded (if in hostile space or under wardec) and can't participate in the game anymore until you procure the isk.

not a compelling gameplay mechanic, at all.

as far as ISK sink, its in the wrong place, and there's hardly any way to defend it.


Jump clones as a form of travel are way too powerful, and as form of storing and switching "suits" of implants way too restrictive. i would go as far as saying that the whole clone system needs a rework, not an update, but a scrap and redo.

as an idea i would say:

making implants fit in the pod, instead of in the clone. this way you change the current jumpclone system, from swapping bodies, you swap pods. which you can carry with you, or have them issued by your corp/alliance. with this you also solve the "i cant pvp because i have a full set of +5s" problem, while also allowing said +5 pod to be a destroyable asset.

you could even add as gameplay this: should the ship be destroyed before the pod ejects, 50% of the implants die. should the pod eject and get killed, 100% of the implants gone as usual. this would make commitment to a fight an interesting strategic choice.

this would obviously require a profound rebalance of implant costs, but could very well result in an even better and more efficient isk sink than the current medical clone system due to the constant replacing of cheap implants. it would also help feed the "culture of losing assets" that some people seem to lack.

turning the medical clone system on a more dynamic respawning system. you can set a station as home to respawn in should you get podded, just like you do now with medical clones, but at no expense. but you can also have a temporary one, like a carrier, rorqual, titan, etc. this would make reshipping easier, thus increasing the value of logistics in any form of warfare, smallgang, fleet, large scale sov warfare, etc.

and finally, either removing jumpclones as a form of travel completely, of restricting them by adding an ISK cost. or better yet, allowing cheap travel on a very long cooldown, with the option of paying to lower said timer after the jump happens.

i can guarantee you, a system like this would quickly become the n1 isk sink in the game and people would not find it unfair as they do with the current clone system.

just talking here but why not just have it so in low sec clones are affected by fw and dust, so you get a reduction on cost overall in any station in that sector.

and for nullsec have corps that own the stations half or reduce teh cost of clones, the corp or alliance would still need to pay for each clone used so the isk sink will remain but will move from a personal sink to a alliance level sink

this might sound crazy but you scrubs need to earn some isk

lololwut?

If you're an RL scrub then typically you dont go through higher education and you end up being a slow learning pleb. Same should apply in EVE. Want faster learny-learn? Mine moar.

What we see happening is people want the bubbles but not the consequences of bubbles.

I agree bubbles holding pods is terrible. I do not think they need to do this in null sec. But it seems few want to admit this.

Instead we see people who want to change the game for everyone else, through proposals to make clones free and banning learning implants etc just so they can keep bubbles holding pods.

I think the real problem is something chatgris already alluded to. The pod mechanics are pretty bad. Spamming warp out is not always even a reliable way to get your pod out in low sec. Its too dependant on lag client settings/hicups and cache and other things that have nothing to do with player skill. This means that people who are cursed with a poor internet connection can't use the more expensive implants and so are at a disadvantage.

I think chatgris has the right idea in that pods should just auto warp out instead of making it dependant on your internet connection etc.

Whether this should happen when you lose a ship to a smartbomber I am not so sure. Certainly if you warp your pod to a smart bomber then you should lose your pod - there has to be some risk.

But rather than just removing all consequences to the game, so people will pvp more, I would like ccp to fix the issues that make it seem like losing a pod is unfair. Yes if all the ships and pods were free more people might pvp, but that is going in the wrong direction.

Proposal: Bubbles definately affect pods (clones?!) and should be able to stop all ships, to allow a proper strategic gate camp to succeed and not just have every single son of a ***** covops or (MJD less so) or T3 interdiction nullified ships to just waltz on through.

Lamed up T3s are super terrible in this game, I got one thats nullified, has nanos, stabs, cloaking, ecm, mwd, blah blah blah. I run it through the middle of large gang bubble ganks and just jump backwards and forwards through the camp taking the ****. Because I've seen this done against me when I'm camping enough times so hell, why wouldn't I build an almost guaranteed unstoppable unkillable ship?

Fix bubbles. Dont nerf them further.

Would you troll your space poor ally mates? Anyway, nice to know there are sane people in PL too.

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There is your problem with clone upgrade costs.

If you make static sp/isk rates it would make much more sense and wont penalize older characters that much. I think 7 or 10 sp/isk rate across the board will be nice.

No one that I have seen is advocating free ships, they are after freedom to choose the amount of ISK they risk when they undock, they are saying that having the floor set at 30+m isk + lol isk for the ship on a frigate/cruiser roam is an incentive to go watch TV instead.

The only plus point for high clone costs is that it gives some consequence to the pod express and power projection, apart from that I see none,



You should be arguing for cheaper clones then. Lower SP players would do better if higher SP players are in smaller more fragile cheap ships surely, at the moment I may as well go for bigger/shinier ship because hell i'm already risking 30+m isk before I pick a ship.