Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you insure any ship, and it gets destroyed under insurance, more ISK enters the economy than leaves.

Only ISK sink related to T2 ships is the T1 ship BPO purchase from NPCs, and related skillbooks (and insurance price). Considering these aren't consumed in the invention and manufacturing process, they are rather insignificant in the whole scene. It doesn't take many pilots receiving insurance payouts for their T2 ships to turn the total on the faucet side.

/end of standard faucet explanation #24232321211189

ah the difference between macro and micro economics...

on a personal (micro) level i dont have the isk anymore so its a sink in my pocket but on a marco level that isk went to someone else so its not gone... perspective is a btich.

CCP Rise -

• Is there any ideas within CCP what would entail a perfect clone system?
• Is having clone upgrades function as an ISK sink critical?
• If so can the sink be moved to another aspect of the game?

here is just a thought... very basic...

ships have crews... crews need money to live and buy feedos...

so why not have some sort of cost based system that requires payment for the ships crews to keep the ship active over a certain amount of time...

if you dont pay your crews they could mutiny and kick you from your ship...

that way you would have the isk sink people are complaining about...

This is exactly how it should be done, IMO.
Keep the new costs, then when you get to the rework of clones turn it into a 90 day "subscription".
Your clone is up to date for 90 days or until you surpass the SP limit, no matter how many clones you lose over that period of time. Once the subscription period is over you revert to an alpha clone.

There are two things that would need to happen however to make this viable: players would require some method of maintaining their clone level if they're unable to dock in a station with a med bay (remotely upgrading them, for example), and making sure players get some notification so, for example, someone who logs into EVE after 3 months of being away undocks without realizing they're in an alpha clone, gets podded, and loses a whole bunch of SP.

Alternatively you could just remove clone costs entirely.

So basically, pay the new clone cost, and die as much as you want for 30 - 90 days. I like that.

If you're gonna remove an ISK sink you better add it somewhere else, that's how you "balance" an economy.

Aye, you're cool.

Please tell me you also are against afk cloakers and have made posts about hisec griefers, because if so, I'm going to subscribe to your blog.

On a related note, clone prices may not be worth crying about. But they sure are annoying, and like it or not, they influence older players choice on whether they are going to risk dying today or not. I might not feel like crying, but if CCP deems them out of date ... well, I ain't gonna ***** about it, either.

Good move!

I'd like to see clone costs done away with all together. I had an idea for a new replacement isk sink and also to help curb pod killing as a travel method:-

A system of 'Concord Pod Travel Gates', Concord controlled toll gates that only allow pod travel, connecting 5 or 6 of the biggest regional trade hubs with 10-15 lo-sec entry and null sec entry systems. An individual pays a monthly isk fee to use the network, a corporation can pay plex/isk for all its members to use the network. Lo-sec and null sec dwellers will have easier/quicker access to high sec space and high sec corps that enjoy PVP in null and lo sec will be able to travel quickly to an entry point system, gear and ship up and then depart.

Traders all have alts in the different regions so it doesn't really impact that, and it should create trade in entry systems, it eats some isk/plex and may help prevent people blowing their pods up to clone travel.

I like it too, but it has its own problems, particularly for supercapital pilots, people who live in w-space, and people who go unsubscribed.

I suppose you could also have a mechanic that allows you to pay some multiple of ISK for that multiple of subscription time.
e.g. 14m isk insures 92.5m SP for 90 days, so 28m isk would insure 92.5m SP for 180 days, 56m isk for 360 days, etc.


The supercap and w-space problem could easily be fixed by allowing people to update their clones from the Character Sheet without ever having to be docked. I don't really get why being docked in a med clone station is a requirement. Of course changing your med clone station or creating a jump clone should require use of a station.