Player Features and Ideas Discussion

how is it that people have 100m sp and have so little money they still keep track of their money down to the tens of millions

like do they count their pennies when they get home every night irl

1 Aurum per clone level

CCP Rise - Why did you not remove them completely? Why just the 30%? Sure suicide podding across the game via the abuse of clone locations would need to be addressed, but solving that has several solutions that are acceptable.

That suggestion is golden.

I'm with you. We talked about it a lot here, and we all would rather make this system better than strip it out completely. I know this is a careful first step, but trust me, we want to do more with it and this is a way for us to act in a more informed way when we are able to more, and in the mean time it eases the pain a bit for you guys.

Something CCP is becoming more serious about (with Fozzie as one of the major champions) is making 'good' changes NOW even if there's some 'perfect' solution somewhere down the line that might take quite awhile to actually happen.

I understand the desire to try and save the clone upgrade system, but it causes far more harm than good.

Clones (and implants) have always been a mechanic that turned me off of pvp and nullsec.

When I was a young player, I never went to nullsec because I did not want to slow down my training due to learning implants. PVP for me isn't a weekend thing, it's what I do nightly when I log in so jump clones did not solve this for me. I just stayed out of nullsec. Clone cost wasn't a big deal for me.

Now that I am a high SP player that likes to pvp frequently, I don't go to nullsec because I have an expensive clone. I also don't go because it would mean I would have to jump clone out of my hardwirings for 24 hours. When I pvp, I enjoy pvp where I have a good chance to lose my ship, and in nullsec with bubbles, that generally means a dead pod.

Finally, on the topic: The current system to save your clone in lowsec which is spam the warpout button with all your might as you hit structure is awful. It ruins the enjoyment of the last part of the fight, makes you turn off explosions and notifications so you don't get lag during those precious fractions of a second as you are trying to warp your pod out. Noobs who don't know any better lose (for them) expensive learning implants, and get turned off of pvp. I am strongly of the opinion that if you lose a ship, your pod should immediately begin an emergency warp to a random safespot (in nullsec, a bubble would prevent you from doing this). There is no "skill" in spamming the warpout button as fast as you can to keep your clone, it just detracts from the combat.

I know I deviated off the original request for feedback, but it is related. IMO, Lowsec is so much more alive for pvp than nullsec because lowsec is about pvp, while nullsec is about controlling territory. And if you pvp, a large part of that is generally reducing the cost of loss so you can fight more.

In lowsec:

a) Bubbles don't exist, people can move freely and generally choose not to engage in combat when they are at a stupid disadvantage (And the RSB nerf will help here too).
b) In lowsec you get to keep training, keep some hardwirings, and not pay clone costs once you figure out how to spam the warpout button on your pod


Another suggestion could be that in addition to the removal of clone costs, the jump clone timer could be based on the distance you travel. If for example, you are jump cloning within the exact same system, there's no cooldown timer so you can decide "I'm going on a nullsec roam, and when i come back I can continue to train with my implants in". The further between your jump clones, the longer the timer before you can jump again.

So like with links, you could reduce the effectiveness by 2/3 in time for odyssey while you spend time working out a proper solution to cut their range?

[Proposal] Bubbles don't affect clones.

Discuss.

To encourage PVP but keep the isk sink in place I would recommend a clone subscription option - unlimited clones for so much isk per month. Then Frigate wars here I come.